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Is passing up thin +cEV options OK in tournaments?
Ya, this is a great thread topic, I really liked what Drew, Adam, double_kyan said at the beginning, I've often struggled with this subject, and find it difficult to argue against the math (similar to a thread we had weeks ago involving Nash shoves being too loose) and then I read Ape's post which makes an excellent counter argument. Something Jon said about that really resonated was the willingness to pass up on the spots without fold equity (i.e. calling off in spots that are showing a very slight +cEV), yet not passing up on any marginal shove spots that show a profit, where we still have ...
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the_dean22
Apr 17th, 2014
pokerstars mtt vs 888 mtt
everything MD said is spot on, I've actually had a fair amount of experience with Stars v 888 vicariously through my students in the past two years. I've noticed the swings/variance on stars is infinitely more difficult to overcome, while 888 seems to be far more stable (worse players and more beatable/reasonable fields). I think it's good to learn to balance the two, I told most of my students to try and play a majority of your tables on 888/euro sites to decrease variance, and then pepper in a few mine field/high variance tournaments on stars, to still give yourself a shot at getting a ...
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the_dean22
Apr 17th, 2014
Live Hand: WSOPc Cherokee $365 Event - River overbet
I feel ya, and I bet there's a lot to be said for live reads, but I still think we get into the tough spot where we fall victim to our own deceptive line, making it so we have to call merely cause of our turn check. I think betting the turn will make things much more obvious to us on the river, and while we may sometimes lose more (the times we're beat) I still think we're going to have a much clearer idea of where the villain stands if we bet the turn.
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the_dean22
Apr 16th, 2014
Poker Coaching and Training Sites Feedback Thread
I think a big advantage to p5s training is that people like myself, Gags, Assasinato, Apestyles are still active in the community, and I for one know that if anyone watched one of my videos and had a question about it, I'd be happy to answer a PM regarding any of the videos. I don't think you'll be able to have as much access to pros from some of the other sites. Having said that, I think RunitOnce has some of the best instructors out there, although is much pricier. If you go there, I highly recommend Gray31 and Jakoon's videos. P5s is the only other site I've watched videos, and my ...
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the_dean22
Apr 16th, 2014
Pros : If you had one day to teach MTTs to someone...
Gags hit the nail on the head, if I had one day for a crash course on MTTs with a student, I'd spend a majority of that day going over sub 20bb play, as well as 20-30bb play, cause like Mike said, a majority of MTT play consists of 15-35bb stacks. Aside from fine tuning shoving/calling ranges, I'd focus on the mental/logical aspect of the game, and not just the difficulty of remaining levelheaded and logical in such a volatile game, but also the reasoning behind plays/actions. I have often found many players falling into an unfavorable habit of clicking buttons "just because" and not ...
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the_dean22
Apr 16th, 2014
Live Hand: WSOPc Cherokee $365 Event - River overbet
I'm not sure why we are checking the turn here, seems like an auto bet. Further, if we do check the turn (for deception/pot control like DiamondDixie said), how could we ever dream of folding river' We've taken an incredibly strange/passive line for having near the top of our range, and although his river over bet is quite strange and will often end up being very strong hands, with the line we've taken, there is zero chance the villain ever puts you on a flush, which now widens his value betting and bluffing ranges in this spot. I'm with ya, and hate seeing an over bet here (and often find ...
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the_dean22
Apr 16th, 2014
whats your play
I don't necessarily think 77 is much better than ATs here, in fact 77 would be the bottom of my shoving range in this particular spot (and ATs is the top of my folding range), so they're both clearly close, I'm just arguing that ATs is a fold here and A5s/A8s/a9s are DEFINITELY folds. I'll send Tyson a PM and see if he can come in and shed a little light on things for the mathematically challenged like myself :)
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the_dean22
Mar 12th, 2014
whats your play
I think people make a mistake at taking Nash ranges as the end all, be all. We've already established that ATs is very close (and can clearly go either way), but I think anyone with a lot of MTT experience knows that shoving A5s/A8s UTG w 14bbs at a full ring table is just awful, yet Nash condones it for some reason. I wish we could get Gags/Tyson (who are much better at the math than I) to come in and comment as well. In regards to 22 v ATs, I'd rather shove the 22 because I do think in a vacuum, the hands we get looked up by most in this exact situation will be AQ/AK (at least ...
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the_dean22
Mar 12th, 2014
whats your play
what calling hands are we hoping of eliminating' I have to imagine that the calling range against us here is AJs+ AQ+ 88+ (AJs and 77 seem close but i'll include just one of them), and we just don't fair very well against that range with ATs, not to mention we're shoving into literally the entire table, and have to hope none of the 8 people behind us wake up with one of those aforementioned hands. I also think risk to reward is important to consider here, best case scenario, everyone just folds and we pick up blinds and antes and net around +3bbs, is that worth it to risk getting called ...
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the_dean22
Mar 12th, 2014
Is Villain Shoving Everything Here?
ah, he got you with the old stop-n-go :) Yes, I'd go ahead and call here, and no, I don't think he's doing this with any two cards or his entire range. I'd imagine he has something along the lines of QT/JT/QJ (I'd think w/ an ace he'd be comfortable enough to check to you with intentions of c/raising allin) So he's probably weighted towards more of middle pair + backdoor draw type hands. Unfortunately we're obviously behind any hand he can have, but we did pick up a FD, and due to the $$$ in the pot, it's just a spot where we need to call and gamble. We will hit our flush about 30% of ...
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the_dean22
Mar 10th, 2014
whats your play
Eric, I agree what u said about 22 being same as 77 with my logic regarding 33-66 folding, however that was my argument for preferring shoving 22 in this spot than ATs, but I don't really like shoving either tbh. Also I think rungoodmuch answered the question for me, "77 plays better than suited broadway in this spot. There are more combinations of strong aces here than pairs that would call. I would be shoving any pair here tbh." Although I still think the small pairs are folds here still for almost the same reason rungood also mentioned, how sometimes a play that can show a slight ...
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the_dean22
Mar 8th, 2014
whats your play
I'm just seeing this now and completely surprised that not one person said they'd fold here. I think 14bb is a fold UTG 9 handed with ATs. I would shove AJs+ 77+ in this spot, and think getting in AT (or even Axs like I saw many people mention) seems pretty bad with 8 people behind us. There has to be some considerations made in regards to the fact that the most common hands to call us in this spot are AQ/AK, which we play terribly against. I'd almost rather shove 22 in this spot than ATs, knowing full well that most of the table will fold 33-66 here, but AJs/AQ/AK are of course always ...
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the_dean22
Mar 6th, 2014
$5000 WPT Fallsview Main Event
You should never 6b/fold with KK here. Either 6b/snap off his shove, or flat the 5b prior. I'd usually just flat his 5b to 6k, keeping in any bluff hands he might have, while also keeping your hand under repped.
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the_dean22
Feb 26th, 2014
Strategy for Playing w/ No Image
Hey john, Tough to answer a general question with such specifics, but I think the best answer would be to play aggressively in position, but also still stick with your ABC poker. I've always been a firm believer that playing strong fundamental poker, especially in lower stakes, is the key to winning. Strong fundamentals being…utilizing positional advantages, isolating weak limpers, not getting out of line with hand selection, assigning ranges to your opponents and inversely assigning the range they likely put you on…and so forth. Having said all of that, I do also think in cash games ...
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the_dean22
Feb 23rd, 2014
Talk about a sick read.. Some thoughts on the way I played the hand?
what both of them said is correct, but if you are to limp with this stack, you picked a decent hand to do so with, it should flop fairly well and u can easily chk/fold if you miss. As played, definitely shove the turn, you have the best hand 99% of the time, and need to go ahead and protect your hand/get value for it. Also not sure why you checked the river as last person to act, it would be OK if u were the first person to act (w two ppl behind you) to check on the river, solely to induce bets from your opponents with bluffs or lesser hands, but when they both check to you, you almost ...
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the_dean22
Feb 23rd, 2014
Another Bubble Final Table Spot
I agree w Rbunce, this is a snap call. 5 handed I'd imagine ppl to be restealing fairly wide, and this is definitely one of the hands we're going to want to get in. Not only that, but if we do lose we still have 11 bbs to work the short stack with. Of course it's not entirely cut and dry because it is the pure FT bubble of a big field tournament, however, AQs is just too good to lay down. I think in this spot I'd have a more narrow calling range than in other 20bb reshove spots (because of ICM/FT bubble etc), it also becomes incredibly read dependent, like if the player had been very ...
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the_dean22
Feb 23rd, 2014
AJ getting flatted and squeezed on mid stages.
Just wanted to agree w what Tyson said about balance, I think it's incredibly overrated when it comes to low/mid stakes and massive field tournaments. It is of course very important in HSMTTs such as the 100r or Super Tues where you play same ppl over and over again, but fairly unimportant in spots like this. Also agree w Tyson that you can trap by just flatting here, one of the biggest mistakes I see my students making are viewing the opponent's perception through our own lens, when it's just not the correct case. Very seldom will opponents or villains in random tourneys be viewing hands ...
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the_dean22
Feb 21st, 2014
A9o from the SB vs loose villain
I agree with ur coaches sentiment, in general it's better to size the OOP 3b's a tad bigger than the in position ones, especially with a hand like Ax that doesn't play great post, I totally agree. Post flop, I'm with you, I like the bigger than usual sizing. I probably would be closer to 30% when i'm folding or whiffed the flop, but when you hit TPTK and you're not planning on folding, there's several bad turn cards for us (T,J,Q,K), so I think we need to protect our hand, as well as bet enough that will give us a good understanding of where we're at later in the hand vs villain
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the_dean22
Feb 6th, 2014
A9o from the SB vs loose villain
I think you hit the nail on the head w all of your analysis and line. The only question I have would regard how often he's flatting 3bets. If he's a habitual flatter, I'd prefer to try 3b'ing him in position when we know theres a good chance we're going to play a 3b pot oop with < 30bbs left. As played though, your sizing is great pre and post…I'm not entirely sure check folding is best on turn. While I totally agree with your assessment, that the Q is maybe the nut worst card to peel off in this spot (really does smash all of his floating hands), I still think he is going to have more ...
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the_dean22
Feb 4th, 2014
20th triple crown for Moorman
the greatest of all-time, grats Chris!
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the_dean22
Feb 3rd, 2014
video release
I can only speak for myself and not the other pros, but I spend weeks putting together each video, it's not as easy as some people think. We attempt to build a quality product for you to enjoy and learn from, and that takes time and patience. Like Jef said, typically there is new content every other week, but there will always be lulls, cause you can't force these sort of things. Having said that, I just finished the final part of my 100r 6m series, and I hope you check it out. If you have any questions about the videos, feel free to PM me.
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the_dean22
Jan 29th, 2014
Need advice on a shove spot
Pokerduude is on to something here, but the first poster I respectfully disagree with. The idea of shoving any 2 cards in a spot where the villain is likely calling off lightly, seems absolutely insane. What Duuude said is key, there is a huge difference between r/f off 15bbs and off 10 or 11 bbs. I think Dude's range is a little wide still (would be more appropriate if villain was raising off 15bbs), but off of 11 bbs, there's a great chance he's raise/calling this time, so we want to make sure we have decent equity. I don't mind the 9Tss for this reason (we'll be fairly live against ...
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the_dean22
Jan 29th, 2014
possible spots on 55e re FT/16.50re (2 off bubble)
These are both good spots, I think personally I'm folding the 1st hand and shoving the 2nd. In the first, I think there is some merit to what Josek said about being second short stack, but I think more of the issue is, how important is adding 7k to your stack of 46k' Is it worth shoving knowing that when you're called you're drawing to 3 outs at best... I'd prefer shoving with 13bb or less in this spot maybe, not closer to 15.5. Now had we been holding 22-55/QJ/KT/89s, I'd be far more inclined to shove, knowing that you're going to be in much better shape the times you're called, than ...
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the_dean22
Jan 27th, 2014
Busted 'hot 33' on the bubble with a top 20 stack with A2o - Why am I so bad at poker
I do like the isolation raise and hand you chose to do it with, however you became a victim of your own sizing. I would've chosen something closer to 4,200, which would give you chances to get away from the hand later on. In this case, when you sized it so big and only had just over 25bbs to start, you can't really ever fold once you flop top pair, even though after the turn, we're almost certain you're beat, it's just so difficult to fold with such a high % of your stack out there. Next time, try isolating smaller, and if he checks the flop, you could even check back for pot control (and ...
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the_dean22
Jan 27th, 2014
Taking on a couple students for the new year
Hey guys, Hope everyone had an excellent new year and is excited about what this year has to offer for poker. I'm currently looking to take on a couple of new full-time students, and wanted to post here on my home site of P5s before giving the opportunities elsewhere. I am looking for serious MTT grinders, who are looking to make a jump to the next level in their game (whether it's low-stakes to Mid, or MSMTT to HSMTT). My coaching consists primarily of HH reviews, where I go through every single hand with you in order to find out all of your leaks, as well as analyzing spots where I ...
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the_dean22
Jan 27th, 2014
[Big 16,50] JJ UTG + 2 vs open and flat
I think you can call if the flatter back shoves, however it's not entirely ideal I agree. Just a rule of thumb, if you find yourself in a spot with AQ/99/TT/JJ and you aren't comfortable 3b/calling a shove (or 3b to 5b/get in etc), then u should probably just flat.
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the_dean22
Jan 24th, 2014
Got a set on flop IP against raiser
Flop play is totally fine, but if you just flat the flop, you gotta raise the turn (you should be raising one or the other). I wouldn't even mind a flop raise, seeing as how he will never fold AK/AQ, and you're just fattening up the pot for you on later streets. If you just flat the flop, definitely raise the turn though, again, you're going to almost always have the best hand and not only do you want to get value for your hand, but you do have to protect it as you said, seeing as how the turn brings a bevy of draws into play. As played, on the river, I don't mind you raising and putting ...
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the_dean22
Jan 23rd, 2014
[Big 16,50] JJ UTG + 2 vs open and flat
JJ is always tough to decide pre flop whether you 3b or flat, and this is certainly one of those difficult situations. Positionally speaking, I often flat in this situation, but with your descriptions of the villains and stack sizes, I think 3b squeezing is optimal. I'm typically flatting JJ in a spot where I don't think the raiser will have much of a bluffing 4b range or they will have a wide value range. I am a bit concerned that there is no 4b bluff range for the villains in this spot, but I do think that they might get it in a bit wider (you said the opener was a bit tilted and flatter ...
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the_dean22
Jan 23rd, 2014
Tough spot w QQ vs flatter who 4bet ships it
I would flat all 4 of those hands against the squeeze pre since we're so deep and more importantly, in position. It's not going to be easy to play post flop of course, but the alternative, back shoving into the squeeze with AQ/99-JJ is pretty optimistic for 60bbs, cause either the squeezer folds his entire bluff range or any hands we're beating, or he calls w his value range (TT+ and AK+) and you're beat (or flipping AK at best)
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the_dean22
Jan 22nd, 2014
Tough spot w QQ vs flatter who 4bet ships it
I actually think it's very likely the villain would flat AA/KK here. I can't tell you how often I see people 3 betting with value hands in spots where they wouldn't even have a 3b bluffing range. I think this might be one of those perfect spots to flat AA/KK, cause without history between UTG and the villain, this is a spot where ppl are seldom 3b bluffing, thus you shouldn't be 3b'ing your value hands either. I'd often flat AA/KK here against an unknown raise utg (would 3b if we had history of course), but would gladly flat w no dynamic hoping that someone behind would raise. Also, if ...
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the_dean22
Jan 22nd, 2014