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Is this bad sizing and river fold?
Given the effective stacks, I usually prefer to get it in preflop here. Playing OOP in a 3b pot with JJ is going to put you in a tough spot on a lot of boards leading to wrong decisions. If you shove pre, it'll turn a larger profit. As played, bet more on the turn and shove river for value. If villain managed to check back and catch runner runner flush, chalk it up to a cooler
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tyson219
Dec 9th, 2014
AK 4 bet or flat?
Yeah, I agree. This looks like a good spot to shove pre
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tyson219
Dec 9th, 2014
M R/C range.
No, that's not enough of a reason to call. You should only call if it'll be profitable and that involves thinking about villains shove range and the math behind that. Also, you can't call Nash if people are reshoving nash...you'll call too wide. Not sure if that's what you meant or not... With respect to the hand, 1.65-1 pots odds justify calling with some of your opening range and folding some of it as well with a good chunk in the middle that can go either way depending on villains reshove range
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tyson219
Dec 9th, 2014
$109 Tornado, 888. Final Table five players remain.
Wait...it's nash to shove 86o with M6 when ICM is considered' Post the HH as pokerdude said. But it's worth nothing that standard Nash ranges are not appropriate for final tables where ICM considerations make your Nash ranges incorrect.
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tyson219
Dec 9th, 2014
TT on 773ss flop
Not a huge fan of the raise on the flop. He's going to fold all air and raise combo draws + overpairs, especially from EP. You get worse hands to fold and better hands to flat/3b. That said, if villain won't ever fire a 2nd bullet with air, raising the flop is fine. However, you need to fold to the 3b.
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tyson219
Dec 9th, 2014
Did i level the shhhhh** outz this reg?
If you make your 3bs with value hands a CIB, you can't 3b light. Or, you give away an automatic tell with your sizing. It can be a workable strategy if you're really good, but it requires mixing up your sizing and the hands you do with it -- which results in need to make some strong bluffs because you put yourself in weird spots
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tyson219
Dec 9th, 2014
Break even coaches.
Best coaches aren't always the best players either. Some people are really good about thinking/dissecting the game, but don't have the mindset to translate it into marathon MTT sessions
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tyson219
Dec 9th, 2014
Did i level the shhhhh** outz this reg?
There's nothing standard about that 3b size...
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tyson219
Dec 9th, 2014
FT bubble of $26 2,500 GTD
It all depends on table dynamics. If someone is going to 3b shove reallllllllly wide, you can r/c. If someone 3bs often enough that a r/f isn't profitable but r/c is losing, a limp is better. There's a lot of stuff you can do to manipulate the 3b of a villain including limping, folding pre more often, changing your open sizing, r/c wider, etc. But it's a complex subject, so hard to lay out a strategy for making it work in a forum post.
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tyson219
Dec 6th, 2014
FT bubble of $26 2,500 GTD
I'm never open shoving here
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tyson219
Dec 6th, 2014
FT bubble of $26 2,500 GTD
Going to be a bit harsh here. First, you can't show stats, provide no other reads and expect us to assume he's playing differently now. You need to provide context. People playing 14/9 generally don't become players running a 30/25/15, so I still can't imagine him going crazy Second, there's no bluffing in preflop spots. He may be shoving wide, but he's still shoving 25bbs effective and should probably realize he can't get too crazy Seems like an easy r/f to me. Even if villain is shoving wide here, KJo isn't going to do very well against his range. He's shoving Ax, broadway, pairs and not ...
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tyson219
Dec 6th, 2014
check behind on turn + eventual call on river?
fyp, but it was probably obvious anyway
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tyson219
Dec 4th, 2014
AJs in SB v BB w/ 16bb left villain 15bb eff..shove or put in a raise ?
Yeah, definitely raising. If you're considering an open shove so that villain doesn't shove, you have to ask yourself what does that accomplish' All better hands still call. Very few worse hands call. So all you do is narrow his range to the part you don't want to play against. I'd actually prefer a r/f over an open shove. Although this is a clear r/c spot and I can only imagine folding 2-3% of the time at most.
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tyson219
Dec 3rd, 2014
JTs in BB , c/r KJ9ss flop, brick turn..barrel here and how much ?
Agree with the ginger. Flop options for me are b/f > c/c > c/f > c/r > b/c I'd also raise preflop. Villain limped and is a passive player. You can squeeze a few extra bbs from him and expect him to fold a high % of flops (however, if HUD stats show low fold to cbet, I'd check behind).
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tyson219
Dec 3rd, 2014
Did I donk off half my stack?
I'd r/f if he shove pre. I'd r/c if villain had 9-10bbs or less. As played, like everyone else said, it's just unlucky.
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tyson219
Dec 3rd, 2014
did i play this bad?
yeah, flatting from the 3b there isn't going to be very profitable (if profitable at all). prefer a fold pre or a 3b, depending on villain and your image. As played, game time decision on the river. I personally don't think many people at .02/.05 would bluff here and I think even Js calls. So I'd b/f unless I think villain was competetent enough to bluff. But my guess is that the avg player at these stakes isn't going to do that, so I'd normally fold and only call off vs the spewiest of players.
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tyson219
Dec 3rd, 2014
SB With A2 (or similar), No one has bet
+1 Occasionally I'll limp A2 when stacks are too deep to shove but too shallow to play profitably. In those spots vs aggro villains, I'll limp/jam or limp and stab at flops. But generally, default play is to raise pre and usually raising 2.2-3x the bb
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tyson219
Dec 3rd, 2014
good fold on his shove?
Pre is fine Flop is fine until you fold. Snap call next time. He's shoving a lot of draws and some Jx hands that you're ahead of and I'm literally getting my money in here 100% of the time. As to ranges, your 3b is small enough that without knowing villain, I'd assume he's flatting a lot of b'way, some Ax hands, pairs, suited connectors. He can easily c/j with KT, T9, Jx, KQ/KJ, etc. easy call vs that range
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tyson219
Dec 3rd, 2014
do we buy the showdown with this c/rais on turn?
Agree with OMG. Easy reshove pre with 18bb effective stacks. I'd shove here against almost every villain. As played, his turn bet makes a lot of sense. It looks like a value hand -- either a Tx, 9x or a JJ-KK and I don't expect him to fold to a raise. You got lucky you hit one of your outs, but that's generally going to be a raise that accomplishes nothing beyond spewing chips.
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tyson219
Dec 3rd, 2014
I knew he had that! Then why did I call?
If villain really raised 10x the bb preflop, you should just fold pre unless you're crazy deep. In any event, you shouldn't range villain on a specific hand. And you also can't ever assume a set will be counterfeited by a 2 outer and therefore you should fold
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tyson219
Dec 3rd, 2014
5000NL Hand
agree with folding flop. There's way too many bad cards that come on the turn/river that conceivably improve villains range and put you into a spot where you're guessing way too often. i'd rather c/r flop than c/c turn and c/c river oop. And don't like a c/c on the turn if we're folding 35-45% of the rivers (clubs, b'way, etc)
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tyson219
Dec 3rd, 2014
What is the recomended play here?
Yeah, I'd shove too. Sucks if the bb wakes up with top 5-7% of hands...but, that's not going to happen 93-95% of the time, so not a huge issue.
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tyson219
Dec 1st, 2014
Question sbout 6-Max VS Full ring ranges
Think about it this way: you have a M of 6. A shove in a full ring game with XX (hand doesn't matter) from the cutoff results in a profit of 0.1bbs. Now, make the same shove in a 6 max game with 3 less antes and the shove results in a loss since there's 0.3bbs less in the pot. Point being that nash ranges are constructed around the expected value of a shove. When you remove dead money from the pot, the expected value decreases since we win less when it folds and win less when we get called. Play around with a couple examples on holdem resources or ICMizer and you'll see this. With respect ...
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tyson219
Dec 1st, 2014
A few hands
I'm not a huge fan of the c/r on the flop here. If you get 3b it's a terrible spot since he's either got you beat or a ton of equity, but you've priced yourself to call/gii. As played, I'm fine with either option. Only worse hands that can realistically call are JT or 9x, so I guess a c/c is probably better since you keep bluffs in villains range Turn bet is fine. Villain can call with 7x, 8x, and some oddly played hands with a big spade (As, Ks, etc) -- but those usually bet turn instead of c/c. I've seen people open A5s here and c/c turn as well, so I def like the bet. I'm not the ...
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tyson219
Nov 30th, 2014
check behind on turn + eventual call on river?
I can see people playing hands like TT, 99, JT, QJ, etc this way. I don't think there's many draws and I don't expect to get value on 3 streets. As a result, I tend to check back turn and reeval river. If villain did float oop with overs, there's less than 15% chance he catches up, so it's not like you're hurting yourself that bad by letting him get a river card.
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tyson219
Nov 30th, 2014
Is this fold terrible?
Yeah, I like a 4b pre too -- especially in a 6 max where people feel as if they need to play much more aggro and go crazy. As played, it's pretty gross. In an $8 MTT, I'm not too sure how many people triple barrel bluff. I feel like he more often than not has a hand on the turn or decent equity. And the only bluffs left after the river are KQ, QT and T9. I don't think that's wide enough to balance out his value range, so I sigh fold
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tyson219
Nov 30th, 2014
A Penny For Your Thoughts
In a vacuum with no stats, I'd shove pre (and 10 hands is basically readless). 3b and jam all flops is fine, but it creates more awkward spots for you like this one where you have to jam with gut shots + one over. Against some villains I'd flat pre, but not my preferred line with ATs vs a late position open with your stack.
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tyson219
Nov 30th, 2014
Bubble of Triceratops, will this be profitable?
I don't hate the spot, but I do hate 3b/f. As said above, it's marginal at best given how tight the original opener is, so I'd probably pass this spot up. Once you 3b though, you're getting a great price to call. I also think a small 3b like that often looks bluffy since you'd just rip with hands like AJ, AQ, etc. So you make yourself look really polarized, which I don't like doing in this spot vs a good player. If you think it'll get through, just rip it.
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tyson219
Nov 30th, 2014
Question sbout 6-Max VS Full ring ranges
What killingbird said is kind of right. That's a back of the envelope way to approximate your shoving range. Shove charts are based on nash ranges. Nash ranges take account of blinds + antes, so a 6max approximation using a full ring chart won't be fully accurate. The pot in 6max is slightly less than in full ring due to 6 antes instead of 9. I've never played enough 6 max MTTs to invest time in figuring out the differences, so not sure how different the ranges are.
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tyson219
Nov 30th, 2014
Sick bluff? Semi-standard? Not Profitable?
Agree with folding turn. A good player is betting into 3 players -- he probably has a hand here. With 2 draws out there, your hand looks more like a missed flush draw than Ax. In villains shoes, I'd often c/c with Ax and Qx since the only way to get value is from bluffs. Personally, I think you got lucky here that he was just stabbing at the turn.
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tyson219
Nov 30th, 2014