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[quote user="AbnormalQ"] Em, again, you seem to be equating Truth with Correspondence, which for affirmations, is not correct, imho.[/quote] The way you capitalized Correspondence suggests to me that you are attaching significance to the term that I may not be. In any case, I don't just equate them, I define "true" as "corresponding to reality". As in, a proposition is true if it describes how shit actually is. As in, if I individually inspected each of the concretes

[quote user="AbnormalQ"]And, something is true only be participating in thetruth and thus the truth of the true is in the truth itself, but not the otherway around. Thus, the thing stated should not be called the truth, but thecause of its truth. The purpose of affirmation is to signify that what is isand it ought to do this, that is, it signifies what it should. It is the samething for the thing stated to be correct and to be true, that is, to signifythat what is is.[/quote] Are you fucking

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I'd give an answer but it wouldn't be true. Or would it? Errr. (yes. reality is objective and ideas either correspond with that reality (true) or they don't (false). this is axiomatic and not the sort of thing you can debate, for concepts like "debate" and "proof" themselves rest on the notion of objective truth. anything else is philosophical fuckstickery/mental masturbation/massive waste of time, and it's a damn shame that people make a living at it. google reductio

How do you mean? I would describe abstractions (concepts) as either "valid" or "invalid", and true or false if you convert them to a statement. So, let's say in your life you've encountered thousands of apples, and in your mind you've constructed this concept "apple", a mental picture of an apple that looks like all apples and no apples at the same time (because real apples have individual characteristics that make them unique - your apple is perfect, ideal

You're golden if at some point in the conversation(s) you said "nigga fuck yo cigarettes", or some suitable equivalent. Stealing cigarettes is a scrub move, to pull it off you have to go all the way. Edit: "...feta cheese-eating motherfucker..." *shrug* ymmv

[quote user="qjuice14"]Whether or not this true, how does this lead you to the conclusion that morality is objective?[/quote] The need for morality arises out of free will. Without free will, morality is completely irrelevant - "right" and "wrong" only have meaning when discussing a choice . Because we have to make so many choices in the course of our lives, we develop morality to guide those choices as a requirement of our survival . Since perpetuation of our lives

re: different cultures etc. - Objective doesn't mean non-contextual. In a given context, with a given set of knowledge, there is a "right" or "best" decision. Re: theft/dishonesty - objectively, it is in the interest (i.e., it serves the life) of every individual not to live in a society where theft and dishonesty are the norm. Honest relationships with mutual respect of person and property are objectively better than cannibalistic or parasitic ones. re: adultery - Adultery

You are trying to define "objective" to mean "absolute and independent of context". I use it to mean (roughly) "independent of arbitrary bias". "What's the right thing to do here?" is not the same sort of question as "Is this burrito delicious?" re: adultery again - you're arguing me on the merits here, I was just giving an example of how an objective system of morality works - i.e., things are good and bad for reasons which you determine

I think you got my point towards the end there, but you're claiming it as your own (?) Yes, right or wrong is objective in the context of the pursuit of a specific goal. I submit that the ultimate goal is life, and all choices should be judged in that context. That is morality. With regard to any logical leaps I'm making, chalk it up to the medium. I could flesh out the finer points of this stuff but that's a lot of typing, and at the end you won't agree with me anyway.