Brunson Says Lederer Claims He “Didn’t Know” About Full Tilt’s Financial Problems

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In a recent blog poston his website, Doyle Brunson (pictured) seemingly came to the defense of the figures allegedly involved with the downfall of Full Tilt Poker. On Monday, Brunson used his official blog to offer his opinions on the Full Tilt Poker fiasco and included inside knowledge he had regarding the situation.

“I feel I was privy to things lots of people weren’t because my best friend, Jack Binion, was interested in buying Full Tilt and did a lot of due diligence,” Brunson stated in the post. Just as quickly, however, the two-time World Series of Poker Main Event champion emphasized what he wrote was simply his opinion on the issue.

“Was Full Tilt guilty of gross negligence and terrible mismanagement? Yes, of course,” Brunson conceded. Brunson then revealed that Full Tilt’s Ray Bitar, who was named in the original U.S. Department of Justice Black Friday documents, seemingly took over control of the company in 2008. This was done at the request of the largest stockholder, Chris Ferguson, and allegedly put Bitar at the helm of every aspect of Full Tilt’s operation.

The site under Bitar’s direction started paying the stockholders huge dividends as the business grew,” Brunson stated. Then, he looked to the reader for an explanation of what happened to the company: “If you were a stockholder, would you question the management of a company sending you hundreds of thousands of dollars each month? I doubt you would.”

According to “Texas Dolly,” once the financial troubles began to mount for Full Tilt – seizure of money by the DOJ, processors not clearing deposits, and the loss of a way to get money to the site were all mentioned – Bitar (pictured) continued to issue payments to stockholders and attempted to work his way out of the situation. “Bitar might have worked things out, but Black Friday happened and everything came to the surface,” Brunson wrote.

When it came to the stockholders who received windfalls of cash, Brunson offered an explanation: “All of the stockholders said they knew nothing of the financial problems. I’m not defending nor persecuting anyone… Ferguson had a lot of faith in his friend Bitar. I’ve been in contact with Lederer and, when someone I’ve known for years, trusted, and respected looks me dead in the eye and says he didn’t know about the financial problems, call me a big old Texas sucker because I will believe them.”

As a way to end his post, Brunson stated, “All of the Federal agencies will do a thorough and complete investigation. I believe the truth will finally come out when the DOJ signs off on the case.” In September, Lederer (pictured), Ferguson, and Rafe Furst were all named by the DOJ as operating a Ponzi scheme.

In the meantime, Brunson offered some sage advice to the poker community: “I know the majority of the poker world wants blood and believes they did know. I believe time will tell us the answer to that. I don’t want to take a baseball bat and crush their grapes and I don’t want to keep them from rejoining the poker world. Where do you stop the level of responsibility? The most widely read book in the world says, ‘Let someone with no quilt cast the first stone.'”

The final words are probably in response to fellow poker pro Daniel Negreanu, who has made his feelings on the subject well known through outlets like a British poker magazine (where he called the Lederer family “scoundrels”), his own blog at Full Contact Poker (where he said, “Ray is a buffoon, Howard is arrogant, and Chris is a liar”) and in a video blog released last week (where he advocated old school Vegas justice in saying he would have no problem with Lederer being “bashed in the nuts with a baseball bat”).

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57 COMMENTS

    • Doyle is a legend, there is no disputing that, however his opinion on the whole situation is really worthless, and the fact that he is defending Lederer is mind blowing.

      Looks like doyle is getting senile with his old age, his trembling hands cant even shuffle chips.

      Anyone defending those morons at FTP can go to hell, straight up, and that’s putting it nicely. Fuck FTP and now, FUCK doyle brunson.

    • This statement is so retarded for a man so well respected. In the corporate world, if you did not know of problems such as full tilt, being in the position someone such as Lederer is in, it is nobodies fault but his own for not knowing the company was in such shambles. He tells Doyle he didn’t know anything, but refuses to make such a statement on the record after nearly a year? That i highly doubt. Doyle is overstepping his boundaries here. With so many peoples money tied up for over this debacle, he needs to STFU and stop defending a coward who is unwilling to defend himself.

    • lol at everyone instantly saying doyle is full of shit blah blahyou retards know nothing on the subject other than what is reported as mere speculation on these forums.while i don’t myself believe that the players were completely unknown to the situation jumping onto doyle for defending a friend who he believes to be innocent is out of order imoguilty before proven innocent on these boards

    • lol at everyone instantly saying doyle is full of shit blah blahyou retards know nothing on the subject other than what is reported as mere speculation on these forums.while i don’t myself believe that the players were completely unknown to the situation jumping onto doyle for defending a friend who he believes to be innocent is out of order imoguilty before proven innocent on these boards

      stick to poker.

    • Wasnt it Coward Lederer’s job to know the financial condition of a company that he was a Director and major shareholder in? And if he didnt know its just as bad but it should have been and was his job to know, and to say he didnt know is even more of an insult to all of us, F&#@ YOU Lederer, Ferguson, Bitar, and every FTP pro that hasnt paid back their debts.

    • Look, if Howard actually didn’t know about the financial debacle FT was in then he should have been out there defending himself the second after the story broke. I mean wtf. You’re accused and lumped in with Bitar and Jesus as being a thief and you say nothing for almost a year??? And why, because your lawyer told you to stay quiet? Total BS imo. If I was accused of being a thief and honestly thought and knew that I was being wrongly accused you can bet your ass I’d be telling everyone I had nothing to do with it.

    • Guess it was bound to happen, given his age and all . . . so how soon before all the charity tournies are in support of senile dementia and Alzheimer’s now that one of the greats is afflicted?

    • Am I the only one that remembers that U.S. Doyle’s Room players were moved over to Full Tilt after DR left Tribeca? He likely knows a bit more than he’s saying.

    • OK, let’s say we accept that “they” didn’t know the company was stealing players’ money and giving it to them.

      They sure as hell know it now!

      If they were honest decent people they would hand over every penny they got from Full Tilt to whatever entity can ensure it will be returned to the players.

      They have received stolen property. They have no right to keep it.

    • This would have meant alot more coming from FTP 6 months ago..this means nothing to me..if I met any of them in a dark alley..(or a well lit area)..let’s just say I’d be spending the night in jail..I highly respect Mr. Brunson, but this is not his responsibility..FTP’s silence is inexcusable..no matter who’s to blame for the mishandling

    • Id sit back and let you all call me names to for $40 mill in the bank….Id like to be in a cage fight with any of those 3 bitches for my 2500 on Full Tilt. If I lose donate it to Alzheimer’s fund. Way to go Doyle

    • I would maybe ask a question as to why I keep getting money sent to me when I wasnt getting nearly as much before

    • I would maybe ask a question as to why I keep getting money sent to me when I wasnt getting nearly as much before

      No you wouldnt

    • Our Collective Anger is rightly Pointed at Lederer and Ferguson they are the ones who enticed us on to there site! They sold there product as a safe reliable place to play poker! Ferguson is a genius, with a very impressive CV, I find it hard to believe he had no clue what was going on!

      Why tell Doyle, Why not tell me, you lost my money!

    • Who appointed Doyle the fucking spokesperson for this bullshit? Fact is the mother fuckers owe us a huge amount of money. When in a debt to a bank or anyone can you have a friend say “oh he’s so sorry, he didn’t know his business was being run poorly, can’t you just forgive him?” What a bunch of shit!!! I respected Doyle, come the fuck on!!! I want my fucking $$$$!!!!

    • if i did nothing wrong and my name was howard lederer i would air out on pocketfives.com that i had no idea ray bitar was pilfering the bizzzzness,and that i am sorry and i am going to find out wtf is going on,instead howard said this to the public (“_________________________________________________________”) “hmmmmm idk bout this one doyle,i think he went all in with 3 rags and u believed him

    • So FUCKING TILTED after reading this!!! I need a fucking knee surgery! Oh, can’t get my knee surgery cuz can’t afford it without my FTP money. Apology from a friend doesn’t fucking make my knee better. Wow, I have a lot of fucking anger!!!!

    • lol, jesus who is the largest stockholder, puts his best mate as the ceo and then the ceo starts paying him bonus’s of $600,000 per monthanyone who seriously thinks these dudes knew nothing are blind, deaf and dumb – it was a rort as soon as he became ceo – it is so clear now………fk them all

    • I hated FT even before black friday when they took my money with a ban for accusing me of cheating when that never had happened, all to find out the were banning many large accounts due to them needing the funds =( So believe me I am fully against FT and these head guys but at the same time I kinda feel ashamed to be on this side with the horrible uneducated responses like F*ck doyle now too. I feel like this is a mob after frankenstien or something. Yea get them there witch’ s! I mean cmon we are all mad and sure at least one of those guys new something was up but if you are going post out of anger don’t post. Well I still like doyle for helping poker become what it is today and Danial will always be my favorite player so like doyle said hopefully we will know the truth soon enough. Besides Karma’s a bitch-

    • Former Enron CEO Jeffrey Skilling tried to use Howard Lederer’s weak defense of ‘I didn’t know anything’ during Skilling’s federal fraud trial. The jury didn’t buy Skilling’s defense and Skilling is now serving a 24 year sentence in a federal prison. We can only hope Lederer and Ferguson and Bitar join Skilling in an adjoining cell.

      Howard Lederer calls himself ‘The Professor’ and he was a founding partner of Tiltware Inc. and Fulltilt Poker. Howard is a very smart guy (according to Howard) and Howard knows how to read a financial statement and I am sure Howard kept close tabs on Tiltware and Full Tilt financial operations. Huge amounts of money from Full Tilt kept falling into Howard’s lap, and after the whole house of cards collapses, Howard is trying to hide behind the ‘I didn’t know anything’ Skilling defense ? If Lederer is such an honest and honorable man, why doesn’t Lederer grab a printout of the Full Tilt player balance listing and use some of the millions he has stashed away to start publicly paying Full Tilt players their money ?

      It is SAD an icon like Doyle Brunson feels the need to try to defend Lederer simply because Lederer says ‘he didn’t know anything’ and millions of dollars kept falling from the sky into Lederer’s lap ? …pah-leese…Doyle also probably thinks Jeffrey Skilling is innocent because Skilling says he ‘didn’t know anything.’ Doyle is losing his grip on reality.

    • Doyle’s been a great ambassador and legend for the game. There is no denying that. However, if Lederer is so innnocent why has he been so silent and gone AWOL from the game for the best part of a year. I think if I was entirely innnocent I would have put out a press statement a long time ago to distance myself from Ray Bitar and FTP and then show my face occassionally at the big events since I’d have nothing to hide. Howard hasn’t done that and his silence is deafening.

    • Doyle needs to shut the fuck up and stick to being a Legend imo. He sounds like a retard with these simpleton views.

    • “If you were a stockholder, would you question the management of a company sending you hundreds of thousands of dollars each month? I doubt you would.”

      Ummm, ya. Its called a Ponzi scheme.

    • Ya right , oh let s see did Ledrerer visit you at the nursing home to talk to you this while you both were chowing down your minched mashed potatoes!!!! Ofcourse you believe him as any demented person would! Doyley Boy after what FTP has done what gives you the right to even think about defending your bum buddies? Almost one year and the FTP crooks still have not made statement and still hiding. You think we are fucking stupid or something. These guys are QUILTY and everyone of the fucks should be have thier nuts cracked with many baseball bats. Oh i like to know why its taken the DOJ so long to send these crooks to prison. WHY WHY is the DOJ dragging thier ass? yes, you discuss me too. Let see if i owed the gov;t any money they would be at my doorstep within 24 hours! Alnost one year and NOTHING! You too should be ASHAMED OF YOURSELFS.
      Summary: Doyle shut your fucking demented mouth and choke on your minched potatoes; Lederer come out of hiding so we can crack your droopy limpy balls: DOJ get off your lazy ass and pay us back and then send the fucked up crooks to prison. End of story!!!!!!!!!

    • Former Enron CEO Jeffrey Skilling tried to use Howard Lederer’s weak defense of ‘I didn’t know anything’ during Skilling’s federal fraud trial. The jury didn’t buy Skilling’s defense and Skilling is now serving a 24 year sentence in a federal prison. We can only hope Lederer and Ferguson and Bitar join Skilling in an adjoining cell.

      Howard Lederer calls himself ‘The Professor’ and he was a founding partner of Tiltware Inc. and Fulltilt Poker. Howard is a very smart guy (according to Howard) and Howard knows how to read a financial statement and I am sure Howard kept close tabs on Tiltware and Full Tilt financial operations. Huge amounts of money from Full Tilt kept falling into Howard’s lap, and after the whole house of cards collapses, Howard is trying to hide behind the ‘I didn’t know anything’ Skilling defense ? If Lederer is such an honest and honorable man, why doesn’t Lederer grab a printout of the Full Tilt player balance listing and use some of the millions he has stashed away to start publicly paying Full Tilt players their money ?

      It is SAD an icon like Doyle Brunson feels the need to try to defend Lederer simply because Lederer says ‘he didn’t know anything’ and millions of dollars kept falling from the sky into Lederer’s lap ? …pah-leese…Doyle also probably thinks Jeffrey Skilling is innocent because Skilling says he ‘didn’t know anything.’ Doyle is losing his grip on reality.

      THISSSSS +1

    • lol, jesus who is the largest stockholder, puts his best mate as the ceo and then the ceo starts paying him bonus’s of $600,000 per monthanyone who seriously thinks these dudes knew nothing are blind, deaf and dumb – it was a rort as soon as he became ceo – it is so clear now………fk them all

      agree with you

    • As smart as the poker community thinks they are, do you think there might have been a problem when deposits weren’t clearing but they were still allowing you to put money on your account. My friend deposited $25 6 times and not one of them cleared from October on but he withdrew $300 when he won it. You are trying to tell me that in a community with great analysis on how to play the game of poker and managing your money to play this game profitably that no one knew that this site had issues. Nobody cared. You were still getting paid even if your deposits didn’t clear. They are owed money just like you are owed money. This situation was out there and I don’t even pay as close attention as everyone else on here, but players knew something was up with this site and you are to blame for having that much money on such a risky site. Have to love how ignorant everyone is about Doyle as well. The guy puts his opinion of the situation on his blog. You can believe it or not believe it. Its his OPINION. Lederer always seemed like an honest guy. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt until it all comes out. Unfortunately for the uneducated ones with an opinion, you can’t talk about a case until it is settled. Get a clue.

    • I very rarely if ever post on this site but this made me have to chime in. I really hope this. Is all 1 epic bluff by Doyle. Sadly I do not think it is however. This FTP shit is a fucking shame to anyone who loves poker. What a travishamockery!

    • “If you were a stockholder, would you question the management of a company sending you hundreds of thousands of dollars each month? I doubt you would.”This is so irrelevant it is either an intentional side-step or just illogical rambling. Stated another way: “Sure FTP’s investors were negligent, but that was easier than being responsible.” Coming to the defense of those who made a killing off FTP is no way for anyone to ingratiate themselves to the poker community. Nobody wants to hear anything from Doyle or any other big name on the issue except to add to the chorus demanding some answers.

    • As smart as the poker community thinks they are, do you think there might have been a problem when deposits weren’t clearing but they were still allowing you to put money on your account. My friend deposited $25 6 times and not one of them cleared from October on but he withdrew $300 when he won it. You are trying to tell me that in a community with great analysis on how to play the game of poker and managing your money to play this game profitably that no one knew that this site had issues. Nobody cared. You were still getting paid even if your deposits didn’t clear. They are owed money just like you are owed money. This situation was out there and I don’t even pay as close attention as everyone else on here, but players knew something was up with this site and you are to blame for having that much money on such a risky site. Have to love how ignorant everyone is about Doyle as well. The guy puts his opinion of the situation on his blog. You can believe it or not believe it. Its his OPINION. Lederer always seemed like an honest guy. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt until it all comes out. Unfortunately for the uneducated ones with an opinion, you can’t talk about a case until it is settled. Get a clue.

      OMG did you just wake up or something???.Listen bud whether i have 1 dollar or 100, 000 dollars on any site what gives them the right to shut the doors and run away like little cowards! You say “Lederer always seemed like an honest guy.” are you fck kiddin me??? are you forgetting he hasn’t step up to the plate , ohhhhh believe me he is guilty as hell. Ohhhhhh ya Doyle is a real nice guy, the guy is outa his mind to believe anything that Lederer has told him! but then again these guys sleep together!
      So you say “you can’t talk about a case until it is settled. Get a clue” how about you get a clue moron, here is the clue , everyone has fck’d us over for amost a year now and just incase anyone is wondering we will never EVER will know the real settlement!!!! And over and above this the FTP crooked pros and the mafia will take our money and take a nice vacation and laugh behind our backs!!!!
      This is how the system works and we are the ones that will suffer from all this.
      So thats your Clue of the day!
      What a JOKE!

    • OMG did you just wake up or something???.Listen bud whether i have 1 dollar or 100, 000 dollars on any site what gives them the right to shut the doors and run away like little cowards! You say “Lederer always seemed like an honest guy.” are you fck kiddin me??? are you forgetting he hasn’t step up to the plate , ohhhhh believe me he is guilty as hell. Ohhhhhh ya Doyle is a real nice guy, the guy is outa his mind to believe anything that Lederer has told him! but then again these guys sleep together!
      So you say “you can’t talk about a case until it is settled. Get a clue” how about you get a clue moron, here is the clue , everyone has fck’d us over for amost a year now and just incase anyone is wondering we will never EVER will know the real settlement!!!! And over and above this the FTP crooked pros and the mafia will take our money and take a nice vacation and laugh behind our backs!!!!
      This is how the system works and we are the ones that will suffer from all this.
      So thats your Clue of the day!
      What a JOKE!

      lol…what u say?

    • lol…what u say?

      This is what i say!
      I will try to be nice this time. lol Anyone that tries to use excusses for those crooks from FTP, just like Doyley in this case has tried to make us believe are either insane or have just crawled out from underneath a rock!
      You don’t think Lederer and the rest of the cowards knew what was happening? Well think again because they are the ones with millions in thier pockets and sitting on some secluded beach having time of thier lives.
      And what also really pisses me off which i have yet to voice is that thier big shot lawyers are all capitilizing from this by making millions as well, those FCK shit ass lawyers should be put in prison along with the cowards from FTP and they can all rot in hell!
      Do you remember a few months ago when Lederer was caught Vegas (in a parking lot) and when asked if he would speak up but rather he put his tail between his legs and like coward he ran away!!!!! Now lets see, if he didn’t know anything, here was another perfect opportunity for him to come clean!!! But he didn’t and what does all this spell GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY, so ya crack thier limp ass lying nuts!!!!
      Yes i’m with Negreanu on this one!!
      And do you really think the Gov’t is working to get your money back?
      Now you making me laugh!!!!!
      Let me tell ya a secret thier big shot lawyers and the Gov’t are conversing back and forth, its called Lets Make a Deal! And when its all said and done “THEY” will make us believe that the crooks did nothing wrong!!!!

      Now this is what i say, Doyley go piss up a tree, sorry i forgot your too old to be able to do that!

    • Why the hell dont lederer or ferguson make a statement if they supposedly “knew nothing”?
      Staying silent for 6 months pretty much makes them guilty. Shame on you doyle- at least we know your true colors now….

    • Its getting messier by the day FFS if i lived in vegas or near bitar lederer or fergie id go fkn nuts id bust into there homes look through bank statements etc.whatever is said about the whole situation is pointless unless they come out an speak about what actually happend what these 3 gonna hide for the rest of their lives?Everything needs to be clarified or at least US players money be repaid i dont understand why dont Tapie group repay the players themselves,try everything possible to get up an running they will make money when their doors reopened,also anyone who says they won’t play on FTP again i dont believe them its like a restaurant if new owners take over you get new chief,new managemant you may start to like the place again.Im so pissed that their not even a plan to sort this out!

    • I believe what Doyle is doing is sheltering Coward Lederers money for him. He needed to put his money where he thought it would be safe while the Gov rifles through his shit…maybe 4 people go to jail for money laundering and tax evasion to

    • Its getting messier by the day FFS if i lived in vegas or near bitar lederer or fergie id go fkn nuts id bust into there homes look through bank statements etc.whatever is said about the whole situation is pointless unless they come out an speak about what actually happend what these 3 gonna hide for the rest of their lives?Everything needs to be clarified or at least US players money be repaid i dont understand why dont Tapie group repay the players themselves,try everything possible to get up an running they will make money when their doors reopened,also anyone who says they won’t play on FTP again i dont believe them its like a restaurant if new owners take over you get new chief,new managemant you may start to like the place again.Im so pissed that their not even a plan to sort this out!

      Yes i truly believe that once the Tiape group reopens FTP that the will make more money than FTP ever made previously! You can do the math yourself. I just can’t figure out what they are waiting for? Perhaps the Tiape group would be so kind to make a statement in this regard. Yes those that say they will not play on FTP again are full of crap because your just sayin this now cause your bitter of what has happened. Yes i’m bitter as well just like everyone else. Do i like the idea of leaving thousands behind in the hands of those crooks? No and don’t kid yourself i too would like to see some of that returned to me and if such miracle does happen we’ll call it a bonus!
      But i will assure you that myself and the rest of the poker people out there will play on FTP again! We play poker because this is what we love to do, its one of our many passions. I just wish the Gov’t would get thier heads out of the asses and see the light!!!!!
      But let me make one thing clear to the Tiape group that if you ever consider in making any of the former FTP representatives like Lederer, Ivey, Fergison, and the rest of the crooks be part of your orginization then i for one will not ever, i mean NOT EVER play on your site EVER. So you may say no big deal your only person but let me assure you that there will be thousands that will follow!
      Like i said before those crooked asswipes should have thier nuts cracked by at least 1000 baseball bats and then drag them to jail and throw away the key!!!! So what is the hold up?

    • Its getting messier by the day FFS if i lived in vegas or near bitar lederer or fergie id go fkn nuts id bust into there homes look through bank statements etc.whatever is said about the whole situation is pointless unless they come out an speak about what actually happend what these 3 gonna hide for the rest of their lives?Everything needs to be clarified or at least US players money be repaid i dont understand why dont Tapie group repay the players themselves,try everything possible to get up an running they will make money when their doors reopened,also anyone who says they won’t play on FTP again i dont believe them its like a restaurant if new owners take over you get new chief,new managemant you may start to like the place again.Im so pissed that their not even a plan to sort this out!

      Yes i truly believe that once the Tiape group reopens FTP that the will make more money than FTP ever made previously! You can do the math yourself. I just can’t figure out what they are waiting for? Perhaps the Tiape group would be so kind to make a statement in this regard. Yes those that say they will not play on FTP again are full of crap because your just sayin this now cause your bitter of what has happened. Yes i’m bitter as well just like everyone else. Do i like the idea of leaving thousands behind in the hands of those crooks? No and don’t kid yourself i too would like to see some of that returned to me and if such miracle does happen we’ll call it a bonus!
      But i will assure you that myself and the rest of the poker people out there will play on FTP again! We play poker because this is what we love to do, its one of our many passions. I just wish the Gov’t would get thier heads out of the asses and see the light!!!!!
      But let me make one thing clear to the Tiape group that if you ever consider in making any of the former FTP representatives like Lederer, Ivey, Fergison, and the rest of the crooks be part of your orginization then i for one will not ever, i mean NOT EVER play on your site EVER. So you may say no big deal your only person but let me assure you that there will be thousands that will follow!
      Like i said before those crooked asswipes should have thier nuts cracked by at least 1000 baseball bats and then drag them to jail and throw away the key!!!! So what is the hold up?

    • Its getting messier by the day FFS if i lived in vegas or near bitar lederer or fergie id go fkn nuts id bust into there homes look through bank statements etc.whatever is said about the whole situation is pointless unless they come out an speak about what actually happend what these 3 gonna hide for the rest of their lives?Everything needs to be clarified or at least US players money be repaid i dont understand why dont Tapie group repay the players themselves,try everything possible to get up an running they will make money when their doors reopened,also anyone who says they won’t play on FTP again i dont believe them its like a restaurant if new owners take over you get new chief,new managemant you may start to like the place again.Im so pissed that their not even a plan to sort this out!

      Yes i truly believe that once the Tiape group reopens FTP that the will make more money than FTP ever made previously! You can do the math yourself. I just can’t figure out what they are waiting for? Perhaps the Tiape group would be so kind to make a statement in this regard. Yes those that say they will not play on FTP again are full of crap because your just sayin this now cause your bitter of what has happened. Yes i’m bitter as well just like everyone else. Do i like the idea of leaving thousands behind in the hands of those crooks? No and don’t kid yourself i too would like to see some of that returned to me and if such miracle does happen we’ll call it a bonus!
      But i will assure you that myself and the rest of the poker people out there will play on FTP again! We play poker because this is what we love to do, its one of our many passions. I just wish the Gov’t would get thier heads out of the asses and see the light!!!!!
      But let me make one thing clear to the Tiape group that if you ever consider in making any of the former FTP representatives like Lederer, Ivey, Fergison, and the rest of the crooks be part of your orginization then i for one will not ever, i mean NOT EVER play on your site EVER. So you may say no big deal your only person but let me assure you that there will be thousands that will follow!
      Like i said before those crooked asswipes should have thier nuts cracked by at least 1000 baseball bats and then drag them to jail and throw away the key!!!! So what is the hold up?

    • Its getting messier by the day FFS if i lived in vegas or near bitar lederer or fergie id go fkn nuts id bust into there homes look through bank statements etc.whatever is said about the whole situation is pointless unless they come out an speak about what actually happend what these 3 gonna hide for the rest of their lives?Everything needs to be clarified or at least US players money be repaid i dont understand why dont Tapie group repay the players themselves,try everything possible to get up an running they will make money when their doors reopened,also anyone who says they won’t play on FTP again i dont believe them its like a restaurant if new owners take over you get new chief,new managemant you may start to like the place again.Im so pissed that their not even a plan to sort this out!

      Yes i truly believe that once the Tiape group reopens FTP that the will make more money than FTP ever made previously! You can do the math yourself. I just can’t figure out what they are waiting for? Perhaps the Tiape group would be so kind to make a statement in this regard. Yes those that say they will not play on FTP again are full of crap because your just sayin this now cause your bitter of what has happened. Yes i’m bitter as well just like everyone else. Do i like the idea of leaving thousands behind in the hands of those crooks? No and don’t kid yourself i too would like to see some of that returned to me and if such miracle does happen we’ll call it a bonus!
      But i will assure you that myself and the rest of the poker people out there will play on FTP again! We play poker because this is what we love to do, its one of our many passions. I just wish the Gov’t would get thier heads out of the asses and see the light!!!!!
      But let me make one thing clear to the Tiape group that if you ever consider in making any of the former FTP representatives like Lederer, Ivey, Fergison, and the rest of the crooks be part of your orginization then i for one will not ever, i mean NOT EVER play on your site EVER. So you may say no big deal your only person but let me assure you that there will be thousands that will follow!
      Like i said before those crooked asswipes should have thier nuts cracked by at least 1000 baseball bats and then drag them to jail and throw away the key!!!! So what is the hold up?

    • Its getting messier by the day FFS if i lived in vegas or near bitar lederer or fergie id go fkn nuts id bust into there homes look through bank statements etc.whatever is said about the whole situation is pointless unless they come out an speak about what actually happend what these 3 gonna hide for the rest of their lives?Everything needs to be clarified or at least US players money be repaid i dont understand why dont Tapie group repay the players themselves,try everything possible to get up an running they will make money when their doors reopened,also anyone who says they won’t play on FTP again i dont believe them its like a restaurant if new owners take over you get new chief,new managemant you may start to like the place again.Im so pissed that their not even a plan to sort this out!

      Yes i truly believe that once the Tiape group reopens FTP that the will make more money than FTP ever made previously! You can do the math yourself. I just can’t figure out what they are waiting for? Perhaps the Tiape group would be so kind to make a statement in this regard. Yes those that say they will not play on FTP again are full of crap because your just sayin this now cause your bitter of what has happened. Yes i’m bitter as well just like everyone else. Do i like the idea of leaving thousands behind in the hands of those crooks? No and don’t kid yourself i too would like to see some of that returned to me and if such miracle does happen we’ll call it a bonus!
      But i will assure you that myself and the rest of the poker people out there will play on FTP again! We play poker because this is what we love to do, its one of our many passions. I just wish the Gov’t would get thier heads out of the asses and see the light!!!!!
      But let me make one thing clear to the Tiape group that if you ever consider in making any of the former FTP representatives like Lederer, Ivey, Fergison, and the rest of the crooks be part of your orginization then i for one will not ever, i mean NOT EVER play on your site EVER. So you may say no big deal your only person but let me assure you that there will be thousands that will follow!
      Like i said before those crooked asswipes should have thier nuts cracked by at least 1000 baseball bats and then drag them to jail and throw away the key!!!! So what is the hold up?

    • Why the hell dont lederer or ferguson make a statement if they supposedly “knew nothing”?
      Staying silent for 6 months pretty much makes them guilty. Shame on you doyle- at least we know your true colors now….

      For those who are just seeing Doyles true colors now, he has fooled so many people. He has always been a cheat and a criminal, out to take everyone’s chips in life, not just in poker. It’s shocking how so many view him as this honorable figure.

      http://igamingforums.com/iGaming/GcaVegasCheats/qxkn/post.htm

    • I think everyone is a little too quick to roast Lederer, Ferguson and Brunson without being fully informed as to what truly happened. Before I continue, I would like to note that I have a reasonable amount of money tied up in Full Tilt.

      In reading many posts, it seems that people are taking Lederer and Ferguson’s silence as a sign of guilt. Whether they are guilty or innocent, anyone under or facing indictment would be under strict orders from their attorneys not to make any public statements. There are many reasons why a completely innocent person would keep quiet under these circumstances. Suppose, for instance, Lederer’s attorney is seeking immunity for him if he turns over Bitar. If Lederer were to make a public statement professing his innocence and either directly or indirectly implicating Bitar, the prosecutor may have no need to grant Lederer immunity as a simple subpoena would get the job done.

      Regarding whether Lederer and Ferguson knew or should have known what was going on at FT. They are both very smart people, but do they have the sophistication and level of experience reading and analyzing financial statements as a seasoned CEO or CFO? Personally, of the little bit that I know of this matter, and considering Lederer and Ferguson’s intelligence, I find it hard to believe that they did not know anything about the financial issues at Full Tilt. However, I do not know whether or not they were fighting with Bitar over what he was doing. If this was the case, they could not come out publicly otherwise they would risk having a run on Full Tilt and ensuring its collapse. Perhaps, when they realized what was going on, they did everything in their power to stop it. We just don’t know. As to them not returning the dividends they received, we don’t know whether or not they intend on returning it at some point in the future. Perhaps they are holding onto it to enable them to make a deal with the prosecutor (i.e., you have a shaky case against us, we give back the dividends, you give us a slap on the wrist and end this matter).

      Please don’t take this response as me being some sort of loyalist to Lederer and Ferguson. For all I know, they are as guilty as sin and deserve Negreanu type punishment. I am simply providing some plausible explanations of what may have gone on short of Lederer and Ferguson stealing our money. Without knowing all the facts, we can’t judge them.

      Regarding Doyle, he has known Lederer for a long time. Perhaps he is blinded by his friendship, but I don’t think he makes that statement unless he truly believed it. Doyle had to know that even as popular as he is, he would be criticized for defending Lederer. I see nothing wrong with him coming to the aid of his friend and giving an opinion regarding something he believes is true.

    • I haven’t got a quilt…someone hand me a stone plz.

      Give me 58 stones ill eventually hit that bastard. Both of em.