Crockfords Gives Details of How Phil Ivey Allegedly Cheated

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The exclusive London casino Crockfordshas responded to Phil Ivey‘s (pictured) lawsuit with its own account of how the man regarded as the best poker player in the world won over £7 million playing Punto Banco over the course of two nights in August 2012.

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According to an October report by the U.K.’s Daily Mail, Ivey ran £1 million up to over £2 million the first night he played at a high-stakes Punto Banco table. Starting with £50,000 bets and eventually moving up to £150,000 bets with the casino’s permission, Ivey started the night staring at a deficit of £500,000, but was able to make that up and then some before he went to bed.

The following night, he made another £5 million and then decided to cash out. Told that the bank transfer would be delayed until Tuesday, August 28 because of a bank holiday, Ivey left the casino looking forward to seeing his winnings when the banks re-opened. Unbeknownst to him, Crockfords began an investigation into possible cheating and never paid him his winnings.

Last week, Ivey revealed that he was suing Crockfords, saying, “I was given a receipt for my winnings, but Crockfords has withheld payment. I have no alternative but to take legal action.”

This weekend, Crockfords struck back, detailing how it believes Ivey did so well at a game entirely based on luck. In another report by the Daily Mail, Crockfords points to a defect in the cards used that night as the reason why Ivey was able to win, win, and win some more. The card backs were emblazoned with a diamond pattern that is normally symmetrical. The cards in the game that night, though, were allegedly mis-cut at the factory, producing an asymmetrical pattern, one where the diamonds on one edge were sliced in half.

Crockfords alleges that Ivey and his female companion were aware of this flaw and used it to their advantage. In Punto Banco, a variation of Baccarat, two cards are dealt to both the Banker and the Player. The values of the cards are added (2-9 are face value, while 10-K are zero) and the sums, with the tens digit truncated (thus, 17 becomes 7), are then compared and the hand closest to nine wins. If the gambler bet on the winning hand – either the Banker or the Player – he gets paid.

Because of the rules, 8 and 9 are valuable cards. According to Crockfords, whenever an 8 or 9 (and possibly a 6 or 7) was revealed, Ivey’s friend was able to convince the dealer to rotate the card 180 degrees before putting it back in the shoe, claiming that Ivey was the superstitious sort. Not thinking this would have any effect on the game, the dealer complied. Crockfords alleges that because of the asymmetrical card backs, the cards that were turned were easily identifiable. Ivey and his friend supposedly used that information to their advantage during later deals.

The two were also allegedly able to get the casino to “hold the shoe,” or retain the same decks of cards for when they returned the second day. Normally, the casino would destroy the cards at the end of the night. Thus, when Ivey sat down for his second session, the rotated cards were still there and he could bet accordingly. Here’s a graphic of the alleged rouse that appeared in the Daily Mail:

According to the Daily Mail’s October report, when Crockfords’ parent company, Genting, sent its own investigator to check things out after the incident last year, no wrongdoing was found. The investigator interviewed the staff on-hand that night, looked at the cards, and viewed the security tapes and found nothing amiss. The only warning flag that was raised surrounded Ivey’s female companion, who had had her membership to another casino suspended.

It remains to be seen which side is telling the truth, but regardless of the outcome, we are excited to see how this soap opera plays out. You can discuss the news in this PocketFives thread.


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    • If what the casino says about the cut of the cards is true I have zero doubt he cheated but i also don’t think there is any way the Casino can prove it and they will have to pay him the money.

    • LOL at saying the factory cut them wrong!!! WOW LMFAO, like saying the ball on roulette had a microscopic ridge on it and landed on black all the time!! wowow casino, as we say in Rounders PAY THAT MAN HIS MONEY, HE BEAT ME, HE BEAT ME STRAIGHT UP!!

    • LOL at saying the factory cut them wrong!!! WOW LMFAO, like saying the ball on roulette had a microscopic ridge on it and landed on black all the time!! wowow casino, as we say in Rounders PAY THAT MAN HIS MONEY, HE BEAT ME, HE BEAT ME STRAIGHT UP!!

      Fair and square

    • sounds like the casino needs to pull their fingers up and train their staff a bit better. As if any of the other major casinos is gonn let a player dictate what cards he can use and how they are put in

      LOL @crockfords

    • lol at casinos complaining about cheating. They take millions from the general public. They should lose once in a while when they make internal control mistakes.

    • This is laughable on many levels. The casino provides the cards. Unless there is clear evidence Ivey marked them himself they have squat. Any irregular pattern is the casino’s responsibility. Even returning the cards to the shoe facing as requested is the casino’s fault. All they have to do is say no. They want every advantage to ensure they win. When they don’t it’s cause for an investigation. I call BS. Pay him!!!!!(He’ll bet it somewhere, somehow soon enough).

    • Good for him if he found an edge. House needs to pay up. No rule stating players can’t look for uneven prints and no rule against 180 degree rotating.

    • Been working in the casino business for years and not once have I heard of defective decks. When opening a table the dealer inspects the cards front and back very carefully. A casino is built to make money and this is a perfect example of how fucking scummy they are. They made a bet, they lost the bet in their own house fair and square, pay up you filthy pigs

    • Been working in the casino business for years and not once have I heard of defective decks. When opening a table the dealer inspects the cards front and back very carefully. A casino is built to make money and this is a perfect example of how scummy they are. They made a bet, they lost the bet in their own house fair and square, pay up you filthy pigs

    • Been working in the casino business for years and not once have I heard of defective decks. When opening a table the dealer inspects the cards front and back very carefully. A casino is built to make money and this is a perfect example of how scummy they are. They made a bet, they lost the bet in their own house fair and square, pay up you filthy pigs

      This isn’t true for all casinos, I have worked and dealt in high limit rooms (max bet 45k) and the cards are pre shuffled from the manufacturer and put into play without any employee checking them.

    • What a total crock(fords). This is the lamest excuse. Casinos cant stand when somebody wins. I hope Phil gets all his money and then some for his time and trouble.

    • What a total crock(fords). This is the lamest excuse. Casinos cant stand when somebody wins. I hope Phil gets all his money and then some for his time and trouble.

      Winnings + twice legal fees (or a reasonable settlement outside of court)

      That should be the outcome if the lawyer(s) are worth Ivey’s time

    • Sounds like a nice ‘out’ for the Casino to me. They were well aware of said decks and had it ‘up their sleeve’ to produce this shyte ruling should the need ever arise ie if they were deep enough in the hole to produce such a ludicrous statement. IMO.

    • This isn’t true for all casinos, I have worked and dealt in high limit rooms (max bet 45k) and the cards are pre shuffled from the manufacturer and put into play without any employee checking them.

      that’s crazy. I find it seriously hard to believe a casino would allow decks to be used in a game of those stakes without having looked at them first. and if so, its their own stupidity. If ivey didn’t do anything to change the cards they presented in the game, its their own fault.

    • This isn’t true for all casinos, I have worked and dealt in high limit rooms (max bet 45k) and the cards are pre shuffled from the manufacturer and put into play without any employee checking them.

      That doesnt make sense at all. Pre shuffled? lmao you gotta be kidding me. Give me a source. This would make it pretty easy for someone to cheat a casino.

    • Been working in the casino business for years and not once have I heard of defective decks. When opening a table the dealer inspects the cards front and back very carefully. A casino is built to make money and this is a perfect example of how scummy they are. They made a bet, they lost the bet in their own house fair and square, pay up you filthy pigs

      +1 , exactly what i was thinking. after the first night him being up only 2 million ( only 2 milly is nothing for ivey what i mean ) he asks them to keep the deck , they say yes because they dont want a guy like ivey leaving betting that much , their own fault for keeping the deck their own fault for all this. its karma for them thinking he was going to lose.

    • Obv, if he loses a few million, and they notice that the cards are fucked up. There would be no investigation. Pay the man suck on it.

    • Win heaps in a game and can’t get paid? Phil has just join the same club as tons of american full tilt players. OUCH!

    • If what the casino says about the cut of the cards is true I have zero doubt he cheated but i also don’t think there is any way the Casino can prove it and they will have to pay him the money.

      It isn’t cheating.Taking advantage of a flaw the casino had, he’s not responsible for pointing out their mess nor is he obliged to say anything. He should and no doubt will get paid. I don’t even see why they thought it was necessary to mention this. Don’t think anyone will sympathize with them haha

    • OMG! WORST EXCUSE EVER! How could they not noticed such a BIG flaw like that! do they buy their highrollers decks on walmart? even me and my homegame friends would notice that in a finger snap

    • It behooves me why they kept the same deck after getting hit up for a few millys!

      It would behoove you to avoid using words you don’t understand.

    • cant believe he fired 3 bullets in the super high roller, and then 4 bet jammed all in with AJ off suit after jason mercier 3 bet pre. out of position, not a strong hand, and plenty of chips to play with. I think Ivey might be on tilt 😛

    • Lol, this is outrageous. I hope they have footage of them asking to rotate cards a bunch because without that they are screwed. And also, still have the deck that was in play and can prove it was the same deck. Don’t they change out the decks every shoe in those games anyway because the player is allowed to pinch the cards to hell? These games do not have poker (plastic) cards at these games and should be changed out after every shoe. At least this is my experience from playing mini baccarat and it seems this game is pretty much the same for the most part.

    • If Phil Ivey didn’t provide the “rogue” cards…it’s not his job to tell the casino what he is observing. Everyone knows that gambling has it’s risks (greater for the player than the house). If (full of)Crockfords doesn’t pay out…I hope the world boycotts them into oblivion.

    • Even if what the casino says about the cards is true, you have to ask yourself . . . if Ivey had gone on to LOSE several million would they now be offering a refund? I think we know the answer . . .

      PAY HIM.

    • I think the number of people defending Ivey’s actions is deplorable. If what the casino says is true, he cheated… plain and simple. Rationalize it any way you want, but using marked cards to gain an edge in a game based on luck (ie. NO information) is clearly not part of the game (and thus cheating).

    • I think the number of people defending Ivey’s actions is deplorable. If what the casino says is true, he cheated… plain and simple. Rationalize it any way you want, but using marked cards to gain an edge in a game based on luck (ie. NO information) is clearly not part of the game (and thus cheating).

      Actually, the CASINO is the party which introduced the deck into play, not Ivey. And the deck was not marked, it was simply faulty in terms of manufacture. If you believe the Casino’s story, that is. IF Ivey made use of some characteristic of this flawed deck, then it is no different than a player counting cards at the Blackjack table. The Casino has EVERY right to bar Ivey from returning, as most casinos do with card counters, but he did NOT cheat. Again, if Ivey had lost millions, would Crockford’s be offering a refund?

    • I think the number of people defending Ivey’s actions is deplorable. If what the casino says is true, he cheated… plain and simple. Rationalize it any way you want, but using marked cards to gain an edge in a game based on luck (ie. NO information) is clearly not part of the game (and thus cheating).

      So the casino can have an edge in every game and it’s not cheating? Can someone explain that to me, or is this guy as clueless as I think he is?

      Why is he obligated to tell them they’re incompetent? It doesn’t behoove him to tell them.

    • So the casino can have an edge in every game and it’s not cheating? Can someone explain that to me, or is this guy as clueless as I think he is?

      Why is he obligated to tell them they’re incompetent? It doesn’t behoove him to tell them.

      A valid and very behooving point sir

    • Next time i will bring my ceaser to casino before playing …first i will check if cards are cut properly ..if not then cut it myself and give it back to dealer…..
      i mean seriously… GTFO here crockfords

    • This place should have their license revoked until he is paid. Such behooveaments.

      Or at least behoove it for a while…

    • Nice try Crock. Next time bring your own deck to the game…oh wait.

      Phil’s even more behoovulous than I thought.

    • This is the worst most embarrassing moment for this casino. They sound pretty rediculous all in all.
      Also, the last I checked a casino uses a new deck (Freshly opened) daily when they open up that particular game. So the first night of him winning would be irrelvant since it be a different deck of cards and if I am not mistaken this game uses 6-8 decks of cards. So cheating is close to impossible….. GTFOH! GG Crocks of S#@t

    • This is the worst most embarrassing moment for this casino. They sound pretty rediculous all in all.
      Also, the last I checked a casino uses a new deck (Freshly opened) daily when they open up that particular game. So the first night of him winning would be irrelvant since it be a different deck of cards and if I am not mistaken this game uses 6-8 decks of cards. So cheating is close to impossible….. GTFOH! GG Crocks of S#@t

      Ivey requested that they “hold” the deck meaning the same exact deck was used the 2nd night. Its laughable that they held the deck for him and also rotated the cards. Ivey didnt cheat he simply exploited the casino operators being idiots. Pay the man his money.

    • Serious question, so Crockfords defense will be that the cards were some way behooved by Ivey? That, basically Ivey behooved the Croupiers? Has such a case of behoovement ever been successful in a court of Law? I cant see it myself

    • So the casino can have an edge in every game and it’s not cheating? Can someone explain that to me, or is this guy as clueless as I think he is?

      Why is he obligated to tell them they’re incompetent? It doesn’t behoove him to tell them.

      It is quite obvious This CrockFUCK Casino is cheating big time and playing their own trick to get out of paying the man his money in case there is a big score. Simple, The Casino have knowingly introduced the defective cards in case there is a major big score, and I don’t believe Ivey was aware of such defective cards until it has brought to his attention weeks later. the case for not paying him initially was based about his escort being banned from casino , and then the casino knew wasn’t enough, then they were able to play their main scam of defective cards which is their own responsibility. in No way the casino will win this case unless the judge is one the casino’s executive. What a shame this London CrockFuck casino trying to cheat Gamblers that are the bread and butter for their operation !

    • First of all the cards are in the SHOE when you bet Baccarrat or Punti Banco. So how could he know what it was?

      Second You must place your bet before the cards are dealt and assuming you could determine one 8 or 9 being the first card in the shoe. You have no idea if the next card is 8 9 Monkey ( 0) value or what.

      Assuming He saw the 9 and bet player and the next card was an A 2 3 or 4 his value went from the nuts to 0 1 2 or 3 which is usually a looser.

      Never have I seen a baccarat game where you could bet after the cards were out.

      Pay the man you crooks. They sound like LOCK POKER

    • It would behoove you to avoid using words you don’t understand.

      “Next time i will use a life line before giving my final answer” et cela me bohooves ainsi

    • It behooves me why they kept the same deck after getting hit up for a few millys!

      Dude. Don’t use words you don’t understand. Behooves means, basically, benefits.

    • Dude. Don’t use words you don’t understand. Behooves means, basically, benefits.

      it’s a good bit stronger than benefits…more like obligates

    • “Supposin you wanted to go hiking in the woods with Ralph, it would behoove you to wear nice boots.”

    • It isn’t cheating.Taking advantage of a flaw the casino had, he’s not responsible for pointing out their mess nor is he obliged to say anything. He should and no doubt will get paid. I don’t even see why they thought it was necessary to mention this. Don’t think anyone will sympathize with them haha

      Your statement is false.
      No one can say for sure that Ivey was not cheating or if, in fact, he was.
      Unless a link can be found between the two players, and someone with inside knowledge of the playing card flaws, cheating is hard to prove.

      However, assumptions can be made here.
      The female companion of Ivey has been barred from numerous casinos throughout the world.
      Another assumption is this: Ivey would not be sitting down to play that game unless he had an edge.

      Of course, Crockfords made mistakes here.
      Experienced casino personnel should never have allowed this situation to develop.
      Were their mistakes in themselves sufficient to pay Ivey his winnings? I think not.

      In pursuit of this law suit, Ivey will find that UK law is different than in the US when it comes to gambling debts.
      In my opinion, he will be lucky to get paid.
      After this has been resolved, he may well wish that he had taken his original stake and kept quiet.
      He must feel confident that it could never be proved that he knew anything of the card defects. Good luck to him…..

    • Crockfords casino’s executives are such fools, and they are making a big mistake in exploiting themselves. They are taking so much risk that not only high Rollers Gambler will never trust them again, but also will tarnish its casino reputation because they got trapped on their own old created tricky scam. This casino should be called LONDON CROCKFUCK CASINO! This Casino will loose this case and will also pay the price for trying to tarnish the reputation of the most respected Gambler & a poker player in the world. The following are facts:1. Crockfords casino has full control of their own cards and to inspect it before usage. If They choose to use them either defective or not. that it is their own internal problem of taking such risk, and yet no one force them to rise the stake, nor the casino is obligated to any gambler’s limit request. The Crockfords Casino knows exactly what they are doing, and they have a well calculated risk for their own advantage to make their own big score from all the world gambling suckers. Yet, a simple claim can be made that the Crockfords Casino was fully aware of such defect for their own benefit in case there is a big score by a big gambler that they can be able to easily dispute any big pay out!! This is a cheap risky shot by this Crockfuck casino, and it should be punished and loose their license for such scam. 2. I’m 1000% certain If Ivey happen to loose all his winning & his money back in that table, Crockfords casino would not have even brought the issue of such card being defected nor about the Gambler’s escort being banned from a casino. This casino has so many tricks in their sleeves to use against a big winner, but this one will bite them back in the rear. All gamblers have to boycott this “CrockFUCK” casino in London and hopefully they will loose their license for real. This Crockfuck casino’s obvious stupid scam to not pay the man his money, may triggered an independent investigation of all cards been used in that casino for the last 7 years, and how many Gamblers have lost their millions in that casino with similar card, and Good luck for those looser Gamblers in getting their millions back from this London CrockFuck Casino!! Because by then this casino will be filling Bankruptcy. 3. Yet, This casino is well equipped to find out about any banned gambler within the first 5 to 10 minutes of play to make their own decision to allow or not allow such Gambler or a spectator in their Casino. Now you let such players for three days grinding in your casino in the hope that they will loose, and what a shame for this CrockFuck Casino trying to label & exploit such Gamblers. Best advise for this Stupid London Casino, Pay the Man his money with all interests, and all the cost associated with it, and apologize in public for all the humiliation and exploitations, and hope that your casino will be still in business!Best advise for Ivey: Don’t back down or settle for less discreetly. Your reputation is worth more than 12 millions, not only they have to pay you back your money, its associated cost to it, but also to announce their apology to you and to make it Public to clear you out. And if you pursuit the court justice that I’m confident that you will win your case and to bring awareness to general public, and to exploit this Casino tricky scams, or yet to exploit their stupidity in this matter if that’s the case which I certainly doubt.Best advise to all other Gamblers who lost in this London CrockFuck casino, that you should file a claim against this casino using defective cards to gain more advantage on you, and you should request your money back plus interests. And that will teach this casino a lesson for scamming Gamblers. Good Luck Phil Ivey.

    • Even if what the crockford casino is saying is true… IT IS THEIR OWN FAULT!!! If their cards are defective, it isn’t ivey’s fault, or responsibility to point out that they are.

      +1 Pay the man, and it’d prob be a good idea to get some quality decks…