Full Tilt Makes Drastic Changes to Ring Games

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On Tuesday, Full Tilt announced on its blog and via an email to its players that it has introduced radical changes to its ring games. The announcement boldly promised “big changes at Full Tilt to improve the playing experience by making the game more accessible and exciting.”

The most major change ring game players will witness at Full Tilt is that seating will no longer be determined by the player, but by the software itself. Players will be able to select the game and stakes they wish to play and automatically be seated at a table. If more than one table becomes short-handed, the software will merge them.

The blog points out that this is like a live card room and eliminates table selection that some players have used extensively to their advantage.

Another big change is that the site will no longer include heads-up ring game tables. Full Tilt is protecting its “weaker” players, who were subject to experienced players targeting them.

Another major change is the elimination of all high-stakes games, plus also all Stud, Draw, and Mixed Game variants. While this will only directly affect a handful of players, many who enjoyed watching these games will have to now do so on another site.

Thus far, player reaction has been mixed. TwoPlusTwo poster “mybe” believed these changes were positive, posting, “I really like the changes you have made to your ring games. Of course, bum-hunters and seat-scripters will come out and complain, but I believe this will have a good effect on the games, and I like that I don’t have to worry about table selection anymore.”

TwoPlusTwo poster “deathorglory0” was not a fan of removing of heads-up games, believing that other methods should have been tested: “There were plenty other suggestions to improve the HU lobby. To just remove HU without trying out any of these suggestions is inexcusable.”

Full Tilt Poker Room Manager Shyam Markus replied, “Like I said, it wasn’t a decision we reached lightly. All of the suggestions were discussed. Lots of ideas that weren’t suggested were discussed. We had a full specification all written up for the direction we wanted to take HU. The problem was that nothing changed the fact that the more new players play HU, the less likely they are to continue playing. If we wanted to be serious about trying to fix a broken poker economy, we had to find all of the biggest issues and either really solve them or remove them.”

He added, “For HU, we came to the conclusion that we couldn’t actually solve the underlying issue, so we removed it. For sure it’s not going to be a super popular decision, and it’s absolutely possible we’ve made a mistake, but for now it’s the decision we feel has the best chance of helping turn around some of the biggest problems we face and return to growing the site.”

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  1. “Full Tilt is protecting its “weaker” players, who were subject to experienced players targeting them.”

    LOL.

    In other words, “we would like the losing players to lose their money slower, so we can take more rake from them”.

    I understand FullTilt wants to make more $ but pissing off your customer base might have long term negative impact like, no one will play there any more.

    FullTilt. Getting worse day by day…

    • I play micro stakes-low and i was quite angry i couldn’t sit down at a table i fancied, i thought it was an error in the lobby and changed it from standard to basic and nothing changed, :confused: i don’t like this at all and i am supposedly 1 of “The weaker players” 😉

    • In other words, “we would like the losing players to lose their money slower, so we can take more rake from them”.

      It genuinely is in the long-term interest of the game though. I don’t think you can argue with Full Tilt’s logic.

      The bad players losing their money more slowly is essential for everybody. It has the effect of keeping the recreational players in the game. Recs often know they’re losing, but they only have a certain budget they can justify spending on poker. It’s a disaster every time a rec simply gives up poker because they’re not experiencing enough positive variance. Keeping recs in the game is good for both the winning players AND, yes, the poker site.

      There is surely a sweet spot of “losing, but not getting utterly crushed” where your average rec loses at a manageable rate and does not get disillusioned with poker.

      This is the whole thing about hold’em – it’s a game that strikes a nice balance between luck and skill, so that even fairly bad players can experience enough positive variance to keep them hooked.

      • Why are they getting rid of stud, draw, and mixed games? It doesn’t cost them anything and mixed games are where a lot of players get their feet wet. I love stud and it’s sad enough that other forms of poker don’t get enough play already…why remove them completely?

        • good post liquid

          The most major change ring game players will witness at Full Tilt is that seating will no longer be determined by the player, but by the software itself. Players will be able to select the game and stakes they wish to play and automatically be seated at a table. If more than one table becomes short-handed, the software will merge them.

          The blog points out that this is like a live card room and eliminates table selection that some players have used extensively to their advantage.y?

          You can request table changes in a casino, any competent player does regularly if they see a better table

          • good post liquid

            You can request table changes in a casino, any competent player does regularly if they see a better table

            You can request to move table on FTP but not sure how that works, if u can only stay at certain table for so long or can only request move so many times for example within certain time, etc, i loved playing razz games also and Horse, etc, now i have to go elsewhere, i don’t buy this stuff about doing it for players, they’re doing it so they keep players and get more rake imo.