P5s No Longer Advertising U.S.-Facing Poker Rooms

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It’s been a while since PocketFives management has come out and made a statement about the state of affairs in online poker. We, like many of you, have been closely watching the many developments in the industry over the last several months and trying to make sense of it all. We’ve made several conclusions regarding the direction of the website. One of those conclusions is something we’re taking action on right away: for the time being, we have decided to stop promoting any traditional (rake-based) U.S.-facing poker rooms on PocketFives.com.

As many of you also know, the P5s website, which was acquired by Protos Marketing in 2007, was recently turned back over to its original owners, leaving the site in the hands of Cal, Riley, and myself once again. While it’s been quite a shake up in our lives over the last few months, at the end of the day, we are very happy to have our site back and be able to once again work with all of you and hopefully make a positive contribution to your lives.

We’re planning a lot of positive changes to the community, and our plan is to bring more interesting offers and content than ever before for both our U.S. and non-U.S. visitors. However, that content will not in any way be geared towards promoting play on poker sites that offer real money, rake-based play to people in the United States. We will still, of course, continue to cover industry developments and news that’s relevant to our members regarding those sites, and players’ results will continue to be counted in the P5s Rankings.

I’d like to be clear that this should not be taken as a denouncement of any U.S.-facing room specifically, nor as a statement regarding the trustworthiness of the rooms that have decided to continue offering their services to U.S. players. We at P5s have a great deal of respect for a number of these companies and the individuals behind them. That said, after seeing all the issues Full Tilt and UB/AP have had returning player funds, combined with the current difficulty in payouts for the sites that continue to serve U.S. players, we can’t in good faith continue to recommend playing real money games.

We at P5s do believe that there will be positive change in the future for U.S. players. Of course, we can’t say what will happen or when it will happen, but we think U.S. players who hang tough through all this will be rewarded down the road. It’s been a long and brutal stretch for poker players the last few years, but we are still seeing light at the end of the tunnel. For those of you who don’t want to wait for clarification on the situation in the U.S., we’re also soon launching a service that will help you relocate to a country where you can continue to play online poker more freely and easily.

We thank you all from our hearts that you’ve stuck with the site over the years, and we look forward to providing our members with new and better content as the months go on to help make your day go by a little faster.

Best Regards,

Adam and the P5s Team

28 COMMENTS

    • Thanks for the support guys. It’s been a pretty crazy few months for me as I’ve been out of poker for years, mainly working in the fantasy sports industry with Riley. Adam ended up taking a job with Protos and staying in poker after we sold the site so thanks to him we weren’t completely lost. The current state of online poker for US players is sad, but it will get better and it will be regulated. Hopefully that will only take a couple of years. In the meantime, we’ve got a strong team in place behind the scenes and will be constantly improving our offering on P5s. I’m excited for the opportunity to take this site to the next level. It’s good to be back!

    • 2nd to last paragraph sounds interesting. I like this decision by p5s, too many people lost jobs and money to still be promoting last option sites as if theres no risk

    • While I don’t support what the US DOJ is doing I do think this shake up will be good for the poker industry in general. Many of my favorite blogs and sites over the years have turned into poker SEO link traps and rakeback marketing. The industry became totally dependent on affiliate deals and site advertising which severely impacted the quality of poker news, coverage and strategy discussions. While the WSOP and Epic Poker League started the transformation from online poker site sponsorships to traditional corporate sponsorships I can only hope the new poker media can follow suit. For example my little site pokerky.net just signed a deal to promote an independent band releasing their first CD. I will earn more from this contract than I have from any affiliate deal since the UIGEA passed.

      While the online poker industry is currently crippled in the US lets remember one fact. The poker demographic and the communities we have created the last 13 years are very valuable and very marketable especially to the music/entertainment industry.

      Good Luck and I cannot wait to see the changes here at P5s.
      Rob Chapman

    • Nice article sir.

      Happy to hear that P5’s weighs their collective responsibility to the community rather than just milking whatever ad revenue they can get while they can still get it. Kudos

    • Cant really blame this site for distancing itself from US sites and the seeming witch hunt and political mess that online poker is in the US right now.

    • Really great to see all the positive responses here. We’ve been kicking this around in discussions for close to 3 months now – really the whole time since the original team took back over the site. The bottom line for me is that we built this community up from nothing by being a voice from within the player community. We’re disgusted by the way our friends in the US have been affected by Black Friday and everything since, and of course we’re among those who have had our balances hanging in the wind. We just don’t feel it’s appropriate right now to continue to market real money poker in the states with things being as unstable as they’ve been. We hope to see things get better, and soon, so that we can all go back to worrying more about the game and less about what politicians are doing…

    • i really like this site, it is soooooo easy to get around and find what you want, so much user friendly compared to others….good luck with the new direction

    • dept. of homeland security breaks down my fear for me nice and simply, in bright coded colors. maybe since this is a largely an american issue, & given this has been our most popular scale in recent fear-mongering episodes, could you paint us a more vivid picture? should i be feeling yellow, orange, or mountain dew code red? given renewed management, i nominate lenny to concoct such a system, especially given his insider experience on the hill

    • Just one more place who turns there back on the USA. I’m not sure saying great article makes sense here. Probably will be in a different language soon!

      The 2p2 site just got a boost in revenue and in traffic. Not trying to be a jerk here just being completely honest.

      remember p5’s you were built by us USA guys who have been left behind!

    • Good luck Guysa I continue to love the site and cant wait to see what the future holds and hopefully this will rejuvenate the PD section of the site

    • I just want to mention I have always been a huge fan of p5 and I may have been a bit harsh, but it just seems every-time I open a forum the USA players get another hit. I do wish you guys luck.

    • Just one more place who turns there back on the USA. I’m not sure saying great article makes sense here. Probably will be in a different language soon!

      The 2p2 site just got a boost in revenue and in traffic. Not trying to be a jerk here just being completely honest.

      remember p5’s you were built by us USA guys who have been left behind!

      We are absolutely not turning our backs on the USA. Quite the opposite – we don’t feel we can recommend these poker rooms in good faith at this time, and we’re trying to protect our loyal members in the states from making mistakes that can cost them money.

    • We are absolutely not turning our backs on the USA. Quite the opposite – we don’t feel we can recommend these poker rooms in good faith at this time,and we’re trying to protect our loyal members in the states from making mistakes that can cost them money.

      Is this based just on what’s happened previously? Or have your interactions with the leadership of these sits (ie Merge) made you feel that something is about to happen sooner rather than later?

      Also, along those lines, since you are not receiving any more money from the sites, I’d really like to see P5s take on an investigative role and really get to the bottom of why Merge is still not accepting new US customers at this time. We were led to believe that it was to allow them some time (4-6 wks) to get their financial house in order. Now we’re running way past that time and still no answer. I believe some skins have decided that they will not be taking on new US customers at all, while others (ie Lock) have said that its a matter of when, not if.

      I’m of the firm belief that there is an underlying reason that these sites are not sharing with their customer base about why US sign ups have been halted, and in some cases, halted for good. Considering the few options there are for Americans, you’d think they’d be welcoming us with open arms. Could it be, perhaps, that they have the very same concerns about the elevated level of risk and by not allowing more Americans now, they are limiting the scope of the inevitable mess that will ensue?

      IN any case, it would be great to see you all dig deep into this topic.

      Many thanks.

    • We don’t have any information that you don’t have regarding what’s going to happen or what’s been happening lately. We simply have been evaluating this situation quite a bit lately and came to this conclusion. We’re definitely investigating to find out as much as possible about what’s going on, though it’s not easy to get behind those doors

    • We are absolutely not turning our backs on the USA. Quite the opposite – we don’t feel we can recommend these poker rooms in good faith at this time, and we’re trying to protect our loyal members in the states from making mistakes that can cost them money.

      Never thought I would see the day when P5’s doesn’t support any US sites. When you guys started, online poker was shadier, and with the passing of the 2005 law, poker became borderline illegal to play, yet you guys embraced the sites and built a monster around them.

      IMO, you guys working with and promoting UB after all the stuff that happened is far more in bad taste then promoting merge/bodog now.

      Maybe change to Pocketfives.eu …….. just sayin’

    • Why couldn’t you just create a “Do not recommend” or “Play at own risk” section like most casino forums so that new players can stay in the loop?

      And build a SOP for such sites to pass in order to stay advertised?

      It is industry standard to protect the people…

    • Never thought I would see the day when P5’s doesn’t support any US sites. When you guys started, online poker was shadier, and with the passing of the 2005 law, poker became borderline illegal to play, yet you guys embraced the sites and built a monster around them.

      IMO, you guys working with and promoting UB after all the stuff that happened is far more in bad taste then promoting merge/bodog now.

      Maybe change to Pocketfives.eu …….. just sayin’

      i agree 100% this is hilarious like you guys are taking some kind of moral high ground here

    • I have to agree with all these guys….I like this site but gank nails it on the head about UB…the shaddiest of shady, and it was your top banner on every page….

      By not promoting these sites is it really you looking out for the player or you just looking out for P5s?

    • We are absolutely not turning our backs on the USA. Quite the opposite – we don’t feel we can recommend these poker rooms in good faith at this time, and we’re trying to protect our loyal members in the states from making mistakes that can cost them money.

      Appreciate the concern guys but the narrow minded republicans in congress are doing a bang up job protecting us U.S. guys from online poker. Maybe in 20 or 30 years our life, liberty and pursuit of happiness will be given back.

      Rock on free world.