The “Slowroll” to End All Slowrolls

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At the Irish Poker Open over the weekend, Andreas Gann (pictured) of Germany dished out the slowroll to end all slowrolls. Right or wrong, intentional or not, it was a slowroll, but it has certainly gained the attention of our community, so we wanted to highlight what happened. The full video is given at the bottom of this article. When you’re done watching the five-minute hand, leave a comment and let us know what you think.

Old school Irish player Donnacha O’Dea raised to 100,000 pre-flop with A-6 of clubs and Gann called 75,000 with K-Q of diamonds after about 45 seconds of deliberation, visibly looking nervous. The tournament was eight-handed at the time, with well over $200,000 going to the winner. The commentators on the Open’s live stream even pointed out that Gann was up against the legendary O’Dea, so we can only imagine what was going through Gann’s head.

The flop came 6-A-8, all diamonds, and Gann checked. O’Dea put Gann all-in, but rather than insta-call with the nuts, Gann sat and thought, much to the ire of the announcers. Comments from them during his 60-second tank included:

“If there’s any justice, an ace is going to roll off on this river.”

“This is absolutely disgraceful. Donnacha O’Dea is from the old school. He’s a legend and an absolute gentleman and this is horrific.”

“He deserves an ace here. I don’t care. Ace or six. This is appalling behavior.”

“Any ace or any six will be cheered by the world.”

“That is just shameful. I cannot believe that.”

After deliberating for a minute, O’Dea (pictured) called and flipped over his hand, much to the dismay of his tablemates. O’Dea remained quiet and, as we could tell, didn’t say a thing, while the rest of the table ripped into Gann, shaking their heads in disapproval and looking perplexed.

As luck would have it, a six ripped off on the river to give O’Dea a winning full house, leading to a thunderous applause and cheers from the announcers. Gann seemed to take the beat in stride. One announcer heralded, “That’s what you get. You go on a slowroll with the absolute, stone cold nut against a gentleman of Irish poker. That’s what you deserve.” Wow. We can’t imagine Norman Chad or Lon McEachern dropping that kind of bombshell on ESPN.

One of the stream’s announcers later gave . There were also rumors that Gann had misread his hand, although he looked back on several occasions.

PocketFiver Darryll DFishFish wrote a blog about the incident, calling the announcers’ behavior “out of line.” He shared his insight into what Gann might have been thinking: “You were completely present in the moment, unaware of time as it passed. Feeling a combination of nervous, anxious, and excited, the last thing on your mind was malicious intent. If someone told you that you did something wrong, you wouldn’t begin to understand why. From your perspective, you played a hand, flopped the nuts, took a few moments to fully realize and enjoy what was happening, and got your money in the middle.”

Here’s the video. What do you think?

34 COMMENTS

  1. The first time I watched the video last night something was very clear, this guy is a novice. A rookie. It might even be the first time he ever plays poker. He looks nervous and confused, and does not understand why people berate him when he calls after a minute. Sure it looks like a slowroll, and if it was from a well known player I would be sick too..

    • Andreas is most likely a online player and not comfortable sitting at a table of this magnitude. He most likely has no idea of slowrolling and certainly is not malicious. The commentators are completely out of line.

    • Online player or not he’s not stupid. Stop making out he’s a 5 year old kid and doesnt know that he has the nuts.

    • He misread his hand. He looked back at his cards a second time and misread them again lol. Thought he had kd qh.

    • That river made me do a fist pump alone at my computer. YES!!

      now…if he legitimately misunderstood or whatever… idk….

      PM Wretchy

    • the mob always screams…then when the other side is wieved no on says anything…i feel sorry for the poor internet player…and this is a problem on casinos with “live” players…it makes new pokerpeople get affraid off maybe sitting down and play when they are on the casinos,,,and plays blackjack instead or machines…and this is bad ..coz we need these players in the community and on the tournamnets etc etc….

    • having watched it twice over agree with the comments that it was just a complete noob, maybe slightly na?ve in general, just not understanding the etiquette of snapping in those spots.

    • He posted in a German poker forum that he thought he had KQ off with a diamond. Chirping someone on TV is for the birds especially when it could easily be a mistake. Poor commentary.

    • Definitely a wider issue here that the community needs to learn from. Commentary like this is aggressive & intimidating – only going to put off new players.

      Could’ve easily been used as a situation in which to explain the normal poker etiquette in situations like this.

    • lol pretty obvious the dude misread his hand. The disgrace is the commentators here actually.

    • But yeah he really did not seem like he realized he was slowrolling based on his reaction. Though I do not blame the commentators at all; it really did seem like a slowroll while he was thinking.

    • He had a feeling the boat was coming. Hence his hesitation. Should’ve folded obviously.

    • He didn’t seem like he was trying to be a jerk. He appeared to be genuinely nervous, confused, and overwhelmed by the situation.

    • It’s so clear he doesn’t realize what he was doing. Either that or the whole thing’s an act and he was tanking for the blinds to go up on his button.

      A real slowroller doesn’t slowroll unless they are a complete lock to win. Nor do they flat KQs there pre…

    • I personally would snap call there. But you never know maybe he had a cash spot in mind. Pay off a big debt. A lot of things a guy might think about hours before a final table of that magnitude. Did he think he was up against 2pr. set or lower flush. Was he running bad, Donnacha running good? But you know you have to call.

    • I personally would snap call there. But you never know maybe he had a cash spot in mind. Pay off a big debt. A lot of things a guy might think about hours before a final table of that magnitude. Did he think he was up against 2pr. set or lower flush. Was he running bad, Donnacha running good? But you know you have to call.

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    • He posted in a German poker forum that he thought he had KQ off with a diamond. Chirping someone on TV is for the birds especially when it could easily be a mistake. Poor commentary.

      That’s that I assumed at first.

    • You guys are being so incredibly naive and forgiving. Condemning the commentary for being outraged? Generalizing about their outrage being responsible for new players “not feeling comfortable playing live” and shit? Holy cow grow up. This guy isn’t a toddler. He’s a poker player that slowrolled for a laugh. Sure, maybe he didn’t know it was bad etiquette. But he knew what he was doing and what hand he was holding.

      And even if he DIDN’T know he had flopped the nuts, and that he only had KdQh. You realize he flatted the SB with 3.5 BB behind right? And that he would never fold his hand as the severe short stack on the final table on that board? That there was over 300k in the pot and he had 177 behind? And no this isn’t a case of “Entity just cause you know you have to call there doesn’t mean he does, he’s allowed to think about it if he thinks he only has the Kd there.” No. I was there. The next closest short stack had I think like 800k-1m. He was not going to stop’n’go the SB with KdQh, flop the nut flush draw, and fold for just over half pot. He’s embarrassed, he’s covering his ass, and you guys are overcompensating trying to make everyone else out to be the bad guys.

      Also, in case you do want to fight me on the “out of line” commentary, let’s take a second to consider who this guy was slowrolling. Donnachea O’Dea. Also known as “The Don”. The biggest legend in Irish Poker history. The first player ever inducted into the European Poker Hall of Fame. The guy responsible for the creation of the Irish Poker Open. And this was the final fucking table of the Irish Poker Open. Maybe this contributed to everyone being so outraged?

      THINK. Stop feigning outrage and playing devil’s advocate because the popular opinion is so OBVIOUS. This guy fucked up and there’s nobody to blame for the series of events and reactions of the crowd and commentators but him.

    • Yeah he is obv just an amature he didn’t realize what was going on when he was put all in cant blame the guy for thinking about it and trying to figure out whats actually happening before sticking the rest of his stack in, they were playing for a lot of money and hes obv super nervous. very understandable spot for an amature. the commentators on the other hand what an embarrassment… acting like children. so rude its horrible the act this way. they make the guy feel like an idiot for not knowing. seems like a bad way to promote poker to new comers, that man probably wont play again now because they made him look stupid. also probably scares new players out of playing in big tournaments if they see they will be made look like fools if they make mistakes. just terrible imo

    • Norman Chad goes off on him here 100%
      Slowrolls are fine and the comedy in doing it to someone like that as apposed to nobody like me makes it even better, still pretty happy the river binked tho

    • Watching it 1st time i shouted yes at the river card, after reading the comments and watching it again, i feel sorry for the guy, the commentators were out of order, o’dea acted like always with class.

    • We have all misread a hand which can be costly. As for the commentators I am okay with it provided they do it every time no matter what country the person is from , etc. If they don’t do it in every situation then they should shut up.

    • Announcers were over reacting to his presumed level of knowledge with regards to poker etiquette

    • You guys are being so incredibly naive and forgiving. Condemning the commentary for being outraged? Generalizing about their outrage being responsible for new players “not feeling comfortable playing live” and shit? Holy cow grow up. This guy isn’t a toddler. He’s a poker player that slowrolled for a laugh. Sure, maybe he didn’t know it was bad etiquette. But he knew what he was doing and what hand he was holding.

      And even if he DIDN’T know he had flopped the nuts, and that he only had KdQh. You realize he flatted the SB with 3.5 BB behind right? And that he would never fold his hand as the severe short stack on the final table on that board? That there was over 300k in the pot and he had 177 behind? And no this isn’t a case of “Entity just cause you know you have to call there doesn’t mean he does, he’s allowed to think about it if he thinks he only has the Kd there.” No. I was there. The next closest short stack had I think like 800k-1m. He was not going to stop’n’go the SB with KdQh, flop the nut flush draw, and fold for just over half pot. He’s embarrassed, he’s covering his ass, and you guys are overcompensating trying to make everyone else out to be the bad guys.

      Also, in case you do want to fight me on the “out of line” commentary, let’s take a second to consider who this guy was slowrolling. Donnachea O’Dea. Also known as “The Don”. The biggest legend in Irish Poker history. The first player ever inducted into the European Poker Hall of Fame. The guy responsible for the creation of the Irish Poker Open. And this was the final fucking table of the Irish Poker Open. Maybe this contributed to everyone being so outraged?

      THINK. Stop feigning outrage and playing devil’s advocate because the popular opinion is so OBVIOUS. This guy fucked up and there’s nobody to blame for the series of events and reactions of the crowd and commentators but him.

      Hey Griffin – I’m glad to see you posting your opinion here. Just curious if you saw Darryll Fish’s blog on this. He was relatively sympathetic to the short stack’s situation. Do you think it’s possible he might have just frozen up?

      I would say on a more general level that TV commentary on poker has changed HUGELY since I started watching back around 2003 or so. It used to be very much geared toward people who either didn’t play poker at all or where very novice. Nowadays it’s almost a given in commentary that the audience understands things like pot odds and standard table etiquette and it even seems like they expect people to know what ICM is, VPIP, other concepts that are a bit more advanced. I just wonder if this is a case of commentators maybe being a bit more in touch with the hardcore poker community and less in touch with the novice community.

      That all being said, obviously anyone at the final table of this kind of tournament should know a reasonable amount of etiquette. The thing sucked, and it sucked that he did it to Donnachea. The reaction, though, to me kind of highlights some larger issues with how poker commentary is addressed these days

    • Adam,I can appreciate the opinion that in general perhaps poker commentating has become too geared towards the “hardcore” player than the casual fan. However, using this clip as an example of that shift is a big stretch. The Irish Poker Open commentary wasn’t intended as a youtube upload casual fan stream. It was for the “hardcore” “ICM” “VPIP” primarily Irish Poker community watching the stream. The majority if not all of which know that slowrolling is terrible, inappropriate etiquette, especially at a large final table, and ESPECIALLY against the Don.

    • Entity: I agree that we shouldn’t be upset with the commentators. How can they possibly give him the benefit of the doubt in that situation? That being said, I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility that a bad player made a bad flat pre with no plan, misread his hand, and then didn’t know what to do. My initial reaction was that this guy is scum; watching again, really looking at his reaction after hands were tabled (more “oh my gosh!” then *sheepish grin*) makes me think there is at least a chance that he didn’t know.

      I get why people want to hate on him but I think there has to at least be a non zero chance that this guy just really had no clue. That being said, if you were there and saw how he played and really felt that this had to be a slowroll, then maybe you know more than the rest of us and this guy really should be condemned.

    • I have no problem with slow-rolling live. You have to study your opponents mannerisms. O’Dea flopped 2 pair, after the delay thought he was ahead, this is a good opportunity to study your opponent, how he behaves when he has a strong hand, if he didn’t get rivered he could use that information for a later hand. Why should he be deprived of an opportunity to gather information?I’ll admit I don’t think he was doing that here, he kind of seemed oblivious but in general I don’t think it’s bad etiquette at all.