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Vacation\Downswings\Students


Squee451

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So right now I'm vacationing and seeing a bunch of my friends in Washington D.C. and New York City and I'm having an amazing time. I took a helicopter tour of NYC, saw a broadway play, and got to see jim gaffigan do a surprise spot at the Gotham Comedy Club (BTW double jack and cokes are 18$, that's how they get you).

It's great to take a break and it's great to feel that my hard work has been way overly rewarded. I can't believe I'm ranked in the top 12 online worldwide this year. I feel i may deserve top 50 but I look down the list and see quite a few players I'm learning from and can't seem to beat consistently.

I read herschelw's blog recently and he talks about how live players and some tourney players overvalue their tournament life and try to put their opponents on a specific hand and not a range of hands. This is spot-on analysis I couldn't agree with more. His quote from Deeb is epic and true "If you're not getting it in behind, you're not getting it in enough." I try to switch my game from LAG-TAG alot during a tourney but being afraid to get it in behind against top LAG players is going to hurt long-run profits.

I have a student who I think has been making some mistakes in high-buyin tourneys 50-200$ tourneys. He worries about cashing and fails to shove things like KJ on the button with 10bbs or AJ over a 2.5x loose raiser and a loose caller with 15 bbs. I've told him repeatedly about needing to put his tourney life at risk in these situations but at the high buyins near the bubble he doesn't seem to be doing it... I don't know what to do with that. I don't want to cut him off cause he's profitable (especially between 11-55$ tourneys) but I don't want to move him up or have him play the big ones cause he's just scared money at this point.

One of my better students is running terribly... a -13k downswing and I've never seen anyone lose more AK/AK flush situations or run TT-AK into AA 20-30 bbs deep. It's so gross as someone who runs so well to watch that happen to a student, but I'm ready to drop 30k on him cause I can see from HH he's playing profitably. Not looking for any new students now, but if I am in the future will be in Blog. If you guys have advice for getting over these downswings or trying to help scared money let me know.

Win all your flips guys.

Adam Sherman

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Well, you can not really help someone who is scared money. It is a state of mind and a disease of the soul. Some people just can't step out of that comfort zone and play profitably after taking a big hit.

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Your progress as a player has defianately been sick to watch. Congrats on the recent score and GL in the future!!!

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"If you're not getting it in behind you're not getting it in enough" --- great quote and so true. That attitude will lead to way less cashes but way more final tables, ask your student which he would rather have more of.

 

Congrats on all your success, good luck in the future.

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Part of his fear is probably from being cut off by you, he prob views "cashing" as being successful rather than focusing on FT's, as his backer I think you have the power to free him from this worry like Jerry does with his horses and seems to do a pretty good job of it, personally I'd be asking him this question. Congrats on everything and GL with this.

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What the hell?

 

you're backing someone whos scared money and wont shove kj on the btn with 10bbs? WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

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For guys I coach who don't make obvious shoves etc. I tell them twice and clearly explain what they need to do. The next time I see them make the same mistake I yell at them football coach style. The next time I generally cut them. If they won't do what they know is right then you either have to wake them up or send them down the road. In this case since he's winning I'd tell him I wont move him up til I see he's consistently does what I'm asking of him. Also make sure to take time to literally show him the math behind why the shove is +EV. People have to understand why something is right in order to make a huge change in thier game. Even if every remotely compentent player agrees it's right they still deserve an explanation if it doesnt make sense to them.

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Yeah hersh is boss....I think downswings just have to be explained as part of the game. Look at all sports, players are judged on there season numbers, even tho some series are important, its the big picture that GMs (you) go off of....so keep fighting.

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Thanks for the suggestions guys, he's not usually scared money, especially in lower stakes buyins, I'll probably follow hersch's advice and hope things go well in the near future. Just gotta keep an eye on his 215 game if I decide to put him in one.

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