Harrah's lied
  1. For those of you who didn't know, the main promotion Harrah's used to to build interest in the WSOP circuit events was a season ending 2 million dollar freeroll. The field was to be limited to the top 20 points getters at each circuit stop, plus the 9 players from the 2005 Main Event final table. It was printed in the rules, and advertised that way. 109 players, and only 109, vying for 2 million. Not bad.
    Today I was checking out the live report on Pokerwire and saw something that made my stomach turn. Doyle Brunson was playing, but I don't believe he qualified under the advertised rules. Johnny Chan, Phil Hellmuth, too. In fact Pokerwire reported there were 114 players, and possibly more. Wait a minute! The rules specifically stated the qualifiying process. I paid 10k to enter the event. Out of that, only about 9500 was returned in the form of prize money. The main reason that I played, and accepted them taking $500 of my money out of the prize pool, was because I felt the chance of being one of the 109 players was worth it. But they were lying to me, and everyone else who was stupid enough to trust them. Bastards!
    When Harrah's took control of the WSOP they inherited an event with a long tradition of being at the pinnacle of the poker world, where the players were treated honestly and with respect. Harrah's is quickly establishing traditions of their own. Unfortunately, a lack of integrity, and a complete disregard for the everyday player, without whom there would be no WSOP, are not the kinds of traditions that will ensure that the name World Series of Poker will lead the great game of poker into the future.
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  2. aint that some shit
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  3. doyle might have been in the top 20 because he won another bracelet. And phil would have won like 4 more bracelets if it wasn't for all those donkeys so he deserves to be there.
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  4. just read the blog at poker pages...they broke the first table and are now down to 99 players. that would mean 108 players in the tourney....they also said everyone showed up that was eligible. i guess that would mean that they didnt invite anyone that wasnt suppose to be there.

    some great mike matusow comments already....and everybodys favourite phil hellmuth among the chip leaders...
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  5. Wow, you mean he's a chipleader with 9 whole people eliminated?!?! He's a definitely lock to win it now!!
     
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  6. there were more than 108 players
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  7. no some donkey is going to suck out on phil - but i hope he dominates. Who else can dodge bullets?

    Where are you reading the updates?
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  8. The latest official count has the starting field at 114 players.

    from Cardplayer.com

    The official count for those that qualified should be 20 + 20 + 27(one event they did top 27) + 20 + 20 + 9 = 116 (but Doyle, Johnny Chan, Hellmuth not on that list)
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  9. Is this because they allow former WSOP main event champions entry? That would be my guess, but I don't know.
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  10. Here's the link to all the qualifiers.

    http://www.worldseriesofpoker.com/qu...sp?getlink=all

    Trying to find Doyle and Phil, but no luck.
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  11. Phil hellmuth is a 9 time world champion, he is the reason for this tournament. He deserves this more than anyone. Besides its good TV
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  12. Daniel Negranu addressed this issue in his most recent blog and was also quite pissed off about it.
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  13. They can do anything they like, as long as they spell it out up front. How would you like it if you paid x dollars to enter a tournament, with an expectation that the prize money would be distributed as spelled out, and then they decided halfway throught to take another 5% out to give to Phil Hellmuth, because he's a nine time champ. Would that be ok?
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  14. Good. The only way to prevent tournament organizers from continuing to do anything they please is for players to speak out and stick together.
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  15. well atleast next year they are going to have espn picks

    "The 2006 TOC will have 6 ESPN exemptions (as well as the 12 WSOPC ME winners + WSOP ME final table) for a total of 27 players."
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  16. or take the tourney off of tv because then 99% of american would care less
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  17. Harrah's also lied about it being the "Tournament of Champions". Yeah they got Doyle Brunson, Phil Helmuth, and Johnny Chan. But lets be realistic, this isnt a real tournament of champions without Tiffany Williamson.

    VIVA KJ OF HEARTS!!!
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  18. isnt tiffany williamson the woman that has won nothing in her whole life?
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  19. At least she won the respect of every player at the 2005 Main Event...
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  20. It's great to have DW back!!!!!

    I take back all the times I disparaged you, please forgive me.

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  21. daniel is pissed because he sucked this series and did not get an invite for his ancient history player of the year from last year..

    you can bitch and complain all you want. Those three accomplished a lot this year. Doyle and JOhnny won their 10th bracelet and phil took over most cashes. It is called respect for some of the players who have given a lot to the game and helped it become what it is today....
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  23. Negreanu has been critizing them so much lately, I'm afraid he might get banned, like Paul Phillips once did. He is probably too popular, but I guess anything is possible.
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  24. On a separate note...is it me or do the original rules not make any sense? As I understand it, it was the top 20 from each circuit event, plus the final tablers from the Main Event. So let me get this straight...why are the circuit events more important than the smaller events at the normal WSOP? Shouldn't the winners of those get representation? Also, why does each Circuit event merit 20 entries, with only a few hundred entrants, while the ME, with 5600 people (and the most presitigious/richest title) only gets 10 entries? Makes not a bit of sense to me, regardless of the recent change in policy. After all, I'd imagine that the smaller events at the WSOP are tougher than the Circuit events, with more players and higher prize pools. If this is a "Tournament of Champions", how on Earth would people like Doyle, Chan, Mark Seif, and Allen Cunningham, who each won WSOP events, not make it? They should have allocated spots to the winner of each event, circuit or otherwise, then maybe top 5-10 at each event (circuit and normal WSOP), plus the top 20 or 30 from the Main Event. Just my opinion, of course.
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  25. When they advertise it as the T.O.C,, it makes much more sense to let in every bracelet winner, than to leave them out, plus you have to throw in Hellmuth, why? I really don't know. :)
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  26. because he is the chip leader after day 1 and he owns without stupid donkeys sucking out on him
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  27. It's b/c in the circuit events, a piece of your entry went to this 2MM payout, which as I understand it, is not the case for the other WSOP tournaments. I think people are missing the point, here, though. The rules stated one thing, and then without consulting the players, the tournament organizers decided to change the rules, last minute. And let's be honest, the odds of Joe Blow in this tournament certainly go down when you add three of the best players in te world to the field. Players who, as great as they are, shouldn't be there according to the original rules. . . Here's a half @ssed example, that isn't totally relevant, but not way off either: let's say everyone in your town has a 50 yard dash contest. They have heats, and you win your heat. Everyone put in 5 bucks to get into the tourney and at the end of the day, all of the heat winners will get to race for the pot. Let's say it's 50 grand. Pretty nice little payday. Let's say the town committe decided at the last minute for their contribution to the sport that Carl Lewis, Maurice Green, and Ben Johnson would be able to freeroll in this puppy. Wouldn't you be a little p!ssed off?
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  28. Don't get me wrong, I think that whatever they made the official rules at the beginning, that's what they should have stuck to. You don't have people committing thousands of dollars under a false assumption. However, Im just saying that I don't understand why they even set up the entry parameters the way they did, giving each Circuit event more credit than the Main Event and completely leaving out the smaller WSOP events. I do agree that whatever they announced the rules were, they should honor them.
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  29. Exactly. If they had decided after the fact to add a freeroll to reward their players, then they would be justified in putting in anybody they wanted to. However, they used the TOC as a main marketing tool to draw players to the tournaments. Players made a decision to play based on the rules for the freeroll as written. In fact, I remember talking with some other players when the events were announced. The juice was outrageous, but the prospect of a freeroll with no more than 109 players was the enticement.
    Fot this year, they've announced that there will be 6 invitees, along with the other qualifiers, to total 27 players. Players are going to make a decision on whether to play or not based on that criterion. How are we to trust that they won't decide to invite another 9,18,27,36 or more players when the time comes because they think it will make a better tv show, and therefore make them more money?
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  30. "How are we to trust that they won't decide to invite another 9,18,27,36 or more players when the time comes because they think it will make a better tv show, and therefore make them more money? " That's a good point Blair, they have blown their credibilty. My question is, was there any fine print in their advertising? If there wasn't, it seems that any player that had qualified, could some how use the court system to get an injunction, to restart the tourney, or would even have a legitimate lawsuit, for false advertising.
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