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    Police rivalry wrecks Kahnawake raid
    (windspeaker news; pro native source) 10/97
    Notice how they brag about and take pride in their coverups.

    <table border="0" cellpadding="9" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>Members of the elected Kahnawake council took action to prevent a joint Royal Canadian Mounted Police/ Montreal Urban Community police operation on their territory, thwarting a raid that the RCMP believe would have yielded important evidence about smuggling and money laundering. The raid was to have been a key part of a massive police operation which resulted in the arrest of 30 people and seizures valued at over $100 million. </td></tr></tbody></table>
    You might recognize Joe Norton who was mentioned in this coverup, he is now the owner of AP/UB
    <table border="0" cellpadding="9" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>An RCMP spokesman in Montreal said that raids scheduled for Sept. 10 on Kahnawake properties owned by Matthew "Watio" Lazare were cancelled after council members told police that news of the upcoming raids had been leaked.

    Councillors urged government and police officials to cancel the raids, saying the police officers' safety had been compromised by the leak.

    But a Montreal Gazette story published several days after the fact revealed that Lazare and his associate Bryan Jacobs did not know about the planned raid. The story suggests that Chief Joe Norton and his council took steps to prevent the raid for political reasons and misled the off-reserve police services in order to prevent the raid. </td></tr></tbody></table>
    <table border="0" cellpadding="9" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>The Mounties allege that the organizations involved "individuals related to outlaw motorcycle gangs, and dealt with various aspects of organized crime, namely: selling and buying bootleg alcohol, dealing in and possession of stolen goods, fraud, drug importation and trafficking, counterfeiting, bribery of federal public servants, alcohol cigarette and tobacco smuggling."

    Because of the huge amounts of money involved in the criminal activity alleged by the RCMP and the appearance that the council shielded Lazare from the outside authorities, the perception is that the council must somehow be involved in some of the criminal activity. The Kahnawake council member who holds the policing portfolio is Chief Phillip Jacobs. He hotly denies the council is shielding Lazare but he said he knows where that idea came from. </td></tr></tbody></table>


    Online betting, cocaine worth millions to crime ring
    (CBC News, Canada) 11/06

    <table border="0" cellpadding="9" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>The organized crime ring with Mafia connections broken up by police this week was running a multi-million dollar online sports betting racket and a slick cocaine trafficking ring at the Montreal airport, the RCMP say </td></tr></tbody></table>
    <table border="0" cellpadding="9" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>"The organization gave [drug] couriers passes from customs and excise so that they could cross the border without any problem," he said. The bookmaking operation, worth about $26 million over the past 18 months, involved an internet site where people could place online sports bets. The site was once hosted on a server in Belize, but had moved to the Kahnawake reserve west of Montreal in 2005. Some 820,000 online bets were made between 2004 and 2006, according to the RCMP.

    The organization also ran a marijuana smuggling operation that acquired dope in the Laval and Montreal regions, and used the Akwesasne Territory to ship the illegal substances to Florida, the Mounties said. </td></tr></tbody></table>

    Guns, drugs, cash seized in massive multi-reserve raid
    (National Post) 3/08
    <table border="0" cellpadding="9" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>Police have arrested 29 suspects and seized weapons, drugs and cash in a massive police crackdown Wednesday on a "criminal organization" involved in the smuggling of marijuana to the United States.

    A team of aboriginal, provincial and federal police served notice that they've made a serious dent in what they described as a multimillion dollar marijuana pipeline from Mohawk reserves near Montreal into the United States. </td></tr></tbody></table>
    <table border="0" cellpadding="9" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>Barrels of marijuana worth an estimated $1-million, bundles of $2 -illion in cash, assault rifles, three grenade launchers and some brass knuckles were seized in the operation which mobilized 300 officers. </td></tr></tbody></table>
    Tribal police lead cross-border drug bust
    (Indian Country Today) 04/08

    <table border="0" cellpadding="9" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>Those arrested face charges of gangsterism, drug exportation, illegal weapons possession, drug possession, drug trafficking, conspiracy to traffic drugs, conspiracy to export drugs and drug manufacturing. Police are still searching for two more suspected smugglers.

    Kahnawake Grand Chief Mike Ahrihrhon Delisle Jr. issued a statement of support for the arrests, and a warning.

    ''The Mohawk Council of Kahnawake fully supports this Peacekeeper-led initiative. We are pleased that it appears to have been very successful and, additionally, took place without incident or injury. We do not - and will not - support such illegal activity within the territory. Anyone who chooses to take part in such activities should take warning.'' </td></tr></tbody></table>
    Mohawks Accused of Smuggling Drugs Across U.S.-Canada Border
    (jointogether.org) 3/08
    <table border="0" cellpadding="9" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>Police who seized heavy weapons during a recent drug raid say that Mohawk Indian territory is being used to smuggle drugs south into the U.S., the Canadian Press reported March 27. </td></tr></tbody></table>



    <table border="0" cellpadding="9" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>Reed is now a convicted dealer in illegal weapons in Vermont who claims that he has personally sold about 900 weapons to Mohawks who then smuggle the guns across the border from New York to Quebec. The routes used by the cigarette and liquor smugglers serve the weapons smugglers as well. He claims that two Mohawks from Kahnawake approached him in 1991 to buy guns that they could smuggle into Canada. Guns traced back to Reed have been found with drug dealers, robbers and street thugs from Toronto to Vancouver.

    The warriors smuggled guns have been used in five murders, eleven robberies, two assaults, nine attempted murders, twelve narcotics violations, two suicides and two death threats. Another 41 of his guns have been seized by police searches. Reed told a reporter that Mohawks fill out fake U.S. Federal firearms transaction forms, purchase the guns, bribe border custom agents and carry the guns from the U.S side of Akwesasne to the Quebec side. Reed cooperated with the ATF on their investigation. A 1994 Bureau of AFT reports from Burlington, VT show that 67 weapons from Reed ended up in crimes in Canada </td></tr></tbody></table>
    Study Claims Smuggling Real Culprit in Gun Deaths
    Summary of Mackenzie Institute report. Ottawa Times.

    <table border="0" cellpadding="9" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>The report draws extensively from RCMP information on their efforts to stem the flow of guns while attempting to eliminate the smuggling of other contraband. The majority of their work is centred in and around the Akwesasne, Ganiengeh and Kahnawake Indian reservations in southern Quebec. Reports from the RCMP in June of this year state that it is doubling the strength of the smuggling strike force along the Quebec-United States border. The largest contingent of officers from the newly formed Border Investi gation Branch will be positioned near the Akwesasne Mohawk reserve, a key crossing-point for contraband. </td></tr></tbody></table>

    Gun law doesn't apply to us, Mohawks insist
    (Montreal Gazette) 01/01 -- you need to scroll down 20% of the page to find this article, or just ctrl-f for Kahnawake

    I believe that this quote is actually a misidentification as the Chief at the time was AP/UB owner Joe Norton though it could be a relative of his named Timmy

    <table border="0" cellpadding="9" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>Council spokesman Timmy Norton was tight-lipped about what kind of firearms currently exist in Kahnawake - at different times alleged to be the centre of smuggling rings for automatic weapons and handguns - and how they are controlled. </td></tr></tbody></table>
    <table border="0" cellpadding="9" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>``There is already a way firearms are controlled within the community with the Mohawk council and the people of Kahnawake,'' Morris said. ``They are in the best position to do so as opposed to trying to impose federal law within our community.'' </td></tr></tbody></table>

    (Criminal Intelligence Service Canada) 1998 -- summary of CIS report 3/4 down the page. Hit ctrl-f to find Kahnawake

    <table border="0" cellpadding="9" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>Machine guns, automatic and semi-automatic weapons were seized by the RCMP on the Kahnawake Reserve, south of Montreal, in September 1997. The seized weapons were part of a black market operation that sold firearms, explosives, drugs, cigarettes and alcohol. Relations between this Mohawk community and police were strained, but there was noretaliation for the seizure.
    Aboriginal street gangs continue to expand in the Prairie provinces. </td></tr></tbody></table>


    (NY Times) 12/98

    Ring Is Cracked in Smuggling Of Illegal Chinese Immigrants

    <table border="0" cellpadding="9" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>American and Canadian authorities announced today that they had broken up a sophisticated ring that smuggled Chinese immigrants into the United States, and ultimately to New York City, through a Mohawk reservation along the border.

    The authorities said the ring, made up primarily of Chinese citizens and members of the Mohawk tribe, </td></tr></tbody></table>
    <table border="0" cellpadding="9" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>Today's announcement highlighted the extent to which the 28-square-mile Indian reservation that straddles two Canadian provinces and one American state has become a haven for smugglers. The foggy creeks and wooded islands of the Indian territory, which is known as the St. Regis Mohawk Reservation on the American side, and the Akwesasne Indian Territory in Canada, have long been used to spirit gasoline, cigarettes, tobacco and drugs between the two countries. </td></tr></tbody></table>


    Battle heats up over native tobacco trade
    (National Post, Canada) 5/08

    <table border="0" cellpadding="9" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>In 2006, the RCMP seized a record 456,333 cartons across Canada. That was a 16-fold increase from 2001, but still a tiny fraction of last year's estimated illegal trade of 50 million cartons. Some of the cigarettes are being produced in facilities on Kahnawake, but the RCMP says most come from illicit manufacturers on the U. S. side of the Akwesasne Mohawk reserve, which straddles the borders of Ontario, Quebec and New York State. </td></tr></tbody></table>
    These next two quotes remind me of the KGC / Mohawk reaction to AP/UB

    <table border="0" cellpadding="9" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>And even Kahnawake Grand Chief Mike Delisle, while defending the Mohawks' right to sell tax-free tobacco, acknowledges that the lure of easy money has attracted organized crime to his community. "The infiltration now of outside influence and forces and organized crime -- gangsterism as they call it --it really can't be denied," Chief Delisle said in an interview. </td></tr></tbody></table>
    <table border="0" cellpadding="9" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>Mr. Delisle, the Grand Chief, recognizes that something needs to be done to control the current tobacco free-for-all. At the moment, anybody on the reserve can open a smoke shack and sell cigarettes.

    Rules, he said, would have to be set and enforced by the ab-originals themselves. He talked of creating a Mohawk regulatory body to patrol the industry and said he is in contact with other aboriginal communities about co-ordinating efforts.

    "If [outside governments] have identified now for 25 years that the majority of the problem rests in First Nations territory, why can't they formally understand that the majority of the answers must rest in First Nations territory as well?" he asked. </td></tr></tbody></table>
    Illegal Smokes Pose Challenge for Police
    (The Epoch Times, Canada) 5/08

    <table border="0" cellpadding="9" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>Mike Delisle, grand chief of the Mohawk Council of Kahnawake, told the Ottawa Citizen recently that the band doesn't consider the sale and manufacture of tobacco products on their land illegal and warned that "confrontation" can be expected if more raids are carried out. </td></tr></tbody></table>
    <table border="0" cellpadding="9" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>"The better way is to let us as First Nations regulate the business and let us legitimize the tobacco business on First Nations. And if we're able to take a little bit of revenue out of that then that's fine. What's wrong with that? We are a third level of government." He also suggests levying a "health tax," which would go directly to First Nations government and health programs. This would discourage tobacco consumption and "bring First Nations tobacco products in line with mainstream tobacco pricing." Non-natives who buy their smokes on-reserve would also be taxed.

    "We've grown tobacco for thousands of years and what we want to be able to do is to regulate it ourselves so for all intents and purposes, for any government, then it is legitimized," says Beaucage. </td></tr></tbody></table>
    Not that the US Govt is the most reliable source but...
    <table border="0" cellpadding="9" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>Thompson says American law enforcement agencies have noted that "people associated with Hezbollah have been moving tobacco around" that comes from Grand River Enterprises, a licensed Six Nations tobacco company.

    "That doesn't mean that Grand River Enterprises knows what they're doing, they're just selling cigarettes to interested buyers and I don't think they really pay that much attention to the idea that Hezbollah is perhaps profiting from their product," says Thompson.

    As well as drugs, cigarettes and firearms, other smuggled items include contraband liquor, illegal refrigerants and illegal aliens, says Thompson.

    "Once you've got a contraband pipeline you can move almost anything."
    Several articles linked on illegal tobacco trade
    (National Post, Hamilton Spectator) 11/07 - 5/08

    <table border="0" cellpadding="9" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>The 1990 Oka crisis, which left one provincial police officer dead at nearby Kanesatake and prompted a lengthy Mohawk blockade of the Mercier Bridge next to Kahnawake, is never far from authorities' minds when considering how to tackle crime here.
    Two years before Oka, an RCMP raid on Kahnawake tobacco vendors led to 17 arrests and the seizure of $450,000 worth of tobacco products. It also triggered a 29-hour armed standoff when, in retaliation, Mohawks blocked highways through Kahnawake. </td></tr></tbody></table>
    <table border="0" cellpadding="9" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>He cited an analysis of cigarette butts outside school yards in Ontario and Quebec which suggested the penetration of illegal cigarettes amongst children is running at 30%, and up to 70% in some areas of Quebec.
    "More broadly, all Canadians must be concerned that a culture be allowed to develop of casual law-breaking," he said. </td></tr></tbody></table>
    Pertinant Adam Smith quote:
    <table border="0" cellpadding="9" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>The Mohawks can scarcely be blamed for wanting to improve their own condition. As Adam Smith also noted, this desire is so powerful that "it is alone and without any assistance capable not only of carrying on the society to wealth and prosperity but of surmounting the hundred impertinent obstructions with which the folly of human laws often encumber its operations." </td></tr></tbody></table>
    Funny example of Mohawk's disregard for the truth in one of the tobacco articles:
    <table border="0" cellpadding="9" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>The issue became more heated just last week when Elected Band Chief David General issued a warning to the community not to be enticed "to the dark side" by "big money and tobacco."
    ...He added that he does not know "at this time, if SixNet is pursuing providing their services to on-line casinos."

    But a spokesperson for Absolute Poker said SixNet is the provider of Absolute's online servers.
    "We've had our Six Nations, or the SixNet, licence for about three years and the games are hosted out of their facility in Ontario," said Jason Reindorp, a media relations spokesperson for Absolute Entertainment S.A, the Costa Rica-based parent of the poker site. </td></tr></tbody></table>
    Canadian Smuggling Investigation Continues
    (Toronto Globe & Mail) 01/99

    Native smoke isn't always a sign of fire
    (MacLeans) 1/08

    <table border="0" cellpadding="9" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>Noting Kahnawake's reputation as a smuggling haven, O'Connell laments the "assumption that everything that comes from natives is illegal." </td></tr></tbody></table>
    Crack down on illegal smokes: Dumont
    (Montreal Gazette) 05/08
    <table border="0" cellpadding="9" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>But the government insisted this is not the time for rash action and said governments need to learn from past mistakes, as in the 1990 Oka crisis, in which a police officer was killed. </td></tr></tbody></table>
    Native leader warns of confrontations over tobacco strategy
    (Canwest News) 5/08

    You **** with the Kahnawake's revenue stream they bring out the big guns (literally)
    <table border="0" cellpadding="9" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>But Mike Delisle, grand chief of the Mohawk Council of Kahnawake, says it will be a "huge mistake" if the RCMP plan to step up such raids...

    "If they're making the statement that raids are imminent, then obviously it concerns me, and I would hope that the federal government or the RCMP in conjunction (with the government) are smarter and take a more collaborative approach as opposed to running roughshod over this community, as they've tried in the past. Obviously, it didn't work out to anyone's benefit," he said.

    Delisle said the response from his community could range from a peaceful standoff to "what we've seen in the past in terms of confrontation."

    "Our past track records show that we have problem with invasion, regardless of whether you're talking about 400 years ago or 1990. I think they'd get a negative reaction from the community in general if they took that approach." </td></tr></tbody></table>

    Underground sales rise as plastic bags with illicit tobacco trucked across Canada
    The Canadian Press; 04/08

    NY Times article on Kahnawake tobacco trade from 1988
    <table border="0" cellpadding="9" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>This week, the trade turned sour. After the Royal Canadian Mounted Police raided stores on the Kahnawake Indian reserve south of Montreal, seizing $365,000 worth of cigarettes and arresting 17 people, young Indians from the reserve dumped tons of gravel onto one of the principal highways leading out of Montreal. The militants, guarding the blockade with rifles, blocked traffic on the highway for 30 hours. </td></tr></tbody></table>


    Quebec fights Mohawk Nation over online gambling jurisdiction: GoldenPalace.com to cough up $2m
    (The register, UK newspaper). 12/07

    <table border="0" cellpadding="9" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>Cyber World operated the online casino from a server on the Kahnawake reservation, which is located just outside of Montreal. About 60 per cent of the world's online gambling traffic flows through the Kahnawake servers, which reportedly possess the largest concentration of bandwidth in North America. </td></tr></tbody></table>
    Quebec Fines Online Site; More Headaches for Kahnawake Mohawks
    (PokerNews.com) 12/07
    <table border="0" cellpadding="9" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>CBC News reported this week that Cyber World Group, parent of GoldenPalace.com, has pled guilty to two charges of illegal gambling and has been levied a $2 million fine by the Quebec provincial government. While unfortunate for Cyber World Group, the case signals what may be the long awaited jurisdictional showdown between the provincial government and the Kahnawake Gaming Commission.

    The charges against Cyber World Group stem from an investigation launched more than a year ago, punctuated by a raid of their Montreal offices. But the Surete du Quebec, Quebec's Provincial Police, have been investigating the Kahnawake reserve's online gaming business since at least November, 2003. Loto Quebec and Quebec's alcohol, racing and gaming board have long contended that the Kahnawake operation is illegal. </td></tr></tbody></table>
    Kahnawake's resident cybercasino giant fined for illegal gaming
    (CBC News, Canada) 11/07

    <table border="0" cellpadding="9" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>The company that administers the world's largest internet casino — Golden Palace.com — has pleaded guilty in Quebec to charges of illegal gambling </td></tr></tbody></table>
    Canadian Goverment Targets Kahnawake Online Gambling Sites
    (Online gambling insider.com) 03/08

    <table border="0" cellpadding="9" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>March 9 - The Canadian federal government is reported to be targeting what it sees as illegal gambling sites in the Kahnawake reserve near Montreal. </td></tr></tbody></table>

    Kahnawake- A Regulatory Overview
    (Gamblingcompliance.com; subscribers only) 4/08

    <table border="0" cellpadding="9" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>Kahnawake’s future as a remote gambling licensing jurisdiction has been subject to much debate over the last year due to allegations of cheating and a rejection to be included on the UK "white list" of approved jurisdictions. This report looks at the development of gaming in Kahnawake and examines the legitimacy of the jurisdiction from a historical, political and legal perspective. </td></tr></tbody></table>


    Mohawks To Be "Offshore" Banking Power
    (first nations drum; pro native group)


    <table border="0" cellpadding="9" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>The Kahnawake Mohawk Nation in Quebec says it will establish its reserve as a "sovereign financial territory" and transform it into a major "offshore" tax haven, with out federal or provincial government approval. </td></tr></tbody></table>
    <table border="0" cellpadding="9" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>The plan now is to lure investors with a range of financial services and accounts "hidden ... for obvious tax reasons," according to Chief Rice.

    "Why can't we take business from Antigua and put it on the St. Lawrence?" he said.

    "Of course Canada and others will say that it's impossible, that what we're doing is illegal ... [That] will be our battle." </td></tr></tbody></table>









    Transcript of Native defense statement in a Canadian Parliment hearing from 03/99 which discusses the Mohawk's reputation as a criminal enterprise

    A very throurough and detailed forum post about Kahnawake's criminal past including Kahnawake Gaming Commission and Absolute Poker

    In addition to the gun running and smuggling, the drug dealers moved into the communities
    This is a thourough timeline Kahnawake's recent sordid history

    The Long Fall of the Mohawk Warriors

    Mohawk Nation News


    <table border="0" cellpadding="9" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>"Mohawk Nation News March 27 2007. It looks like the psychotics from the U.S. have hijacked Canadian policy taking Canada back to medieval blood lust. A 250-page field manual on counterinsurgency is being put out by Canada's Department of National Defense DND for its soldiers and officers. Jon Elmer of Global Research wrote on March 25, 2007, about these new methods of fighting insurgents like the “Taliban”, the “Chechnyans” and the “Mohawk Warrior Society”. Wait a minute, that’s us!

    Let’s not kid ourselves. The main purpose of an army is to shoot and kill. " </td></tr></tbody></table>
    Joe Norton consults with company that produces tracking devices, agrees to mandate devices for Kahnawake members:
    (McGill) 10/04

    <table border="0" cellpadding="9" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>Former Kahnawake chief, Joe Norton, has been hired as a consultant. His services are appreciated because he brought the Assembly of First Nations on board. Joe Norton, Amanda Grainger and Mark Cushing met in late October 2004 in Ottawa with the AFN. The AFN then met with the Minister of Indian Affairs and got his support.

    So this is how things work in Canada. A private American company with ties to the U,S. government gets an idea. They sell it to the Mohawk Council of Kahnawake. Joe Norton sells it to the AFN, which sells it to Indian Affairs. It’s probably not even necessary to slip another revision of the Indian Act past Canada’s sleepy M.P.’s. And there you have it. Smart cards get their foot in the door and Indians get ruled by American Big Business. </td></tr></tbody></table>

    Other links involving Joe Norton (registration required):

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  2. FRIST!!
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  3. cliffnotes?
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  4. No cliffnotes for a reason, it should be read.
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  5. i did read it, just not quite sure i understand it all
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  6. classic
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    Originally Posted by sobizzle21 View Post

    i did read it, just not quite sure i understand it all

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  8. Redding iss hards.
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  9. will people PLEASE stop playing on UB now....if this doesn't do it I don't know what will.

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  10. good times
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  11. obv just trying to get cliffnotes out of u too lazy to read it
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  12. from one of the articles:

    "But according the Criminal Code, only the provincial government is authorized to hand out gaming licences, which prompted Quebec police to raid the Montreal-area offices of Golden Palace.com more than a year ago as part of its investigation.

    The Mohawk community has long argued that it has the right to provide space on its servers to house online casinos, under section 35 of Canada's Constitution, which protects traditional native rights."

    I don't know much about Native Americans in Canada, but do traditional native rights and rituals usually involve computers/servers?
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  13. Now, the next question. Do The Isle of Man and Alderney really have enforceable gaming regulations?

    Why do online gaming sites not subject themselves to the jurisdiction of countries that allow online gaming? Taxes? Real enforcement of regulations?
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  14. So what I got out of this is that if you play on UB you're a drug smuggling cocaine addict?

    I'm pretty sure that's what it is.
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  15. This isn't just about UB. FTP is registered with the Kahanewake Gaming Commission as well. I think a few other sites are too. If they get raided by Canadian officials and "pull the plug" on their servers then I don't think there is much any of us can do about it in terms of legal action to get our money back. Not good for online poker in general - UB may take a few other sites down with the ship.
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    Originally Posted by Cmac View Post

    will people PLEASE stop playing on UB now....if this doesn't do it I don't know what will.


    You should stop playing at Full Tilt if the problem is with the KGC, because that is who regulates them as well.

    Party Poker is "regulated" by the Alderney Gaming Commission and Poker Stars is "regulated" in the Isle of Man.
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  17. I have been following these threads for days without posting to see how it unfolds. This is bad, as a matter of fact very bad for online poker. I would have to agree with the poster that said UB may take down other poker sites as well. Nothing good is going to come of this.

    I moved to UB after leaving Planet Poker (yes I am older than most people on here) UB was my home for poker for a long time. I am horrified to think that my money was going to help support these people, if these allegations are true. I won't even be playing on Full Tilt if they are regulated or "unregulated" by the KGC.
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  18. Umm... shit?
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  19. Im not reading that...

    But I dont play on ub
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    Originally Posted by Willywoo View Post

    You should stop playing at Full Tilt if the problem is with the KGC, because that is who regulates them as well.

    I closed my account on Full Tilt a couple of months ago. Too many incredibly unlikely events (mostly in cash games) happened to me all the time. I made the assumption any site that is connected to the KGC is bad news. Too bad it took me so long and so much money before I made the connection. I am a donk.
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    Originally Posted by SQQTED View Post

    Originally Posted by Willywoo View Post

    You should stop playing at Full Tilt if the problem is with the KGC, because that is who regulates them as well.

    I closed my account on Full Tilt a couple of months ago. Too many incredibly unlikely events (mostly in cash games) happened to me all the time. I made the assumption any site that is connected to the KGC is bad news. Too bad it took me so long and so much money before I made the connection. I am a donk.

    This is a good move in my estimation. As soon as I can get my $6.30 up to the minimum cash out number I'm gone too.
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  22. We've been trying to tell you folks.....Bodog FTW!!
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    Originally Posted by allinblind View Post

    We've been trying to tell you folks.....Bodog FTW!!

    lol, Calvin Ayre recently sold Bodog to the Mohawks of Kahnawake, fyi.
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  24. Bottom line is, online gambling is a highly lucrative business. If it's not regulated by the government (in fact illegal), it is driven underground where it will be run by those who take advantage of the opportunity to launder money, avoid paying taxes, defraud people by rigging games, possibly extortion, and who knows what else.

    And who do you think would be interested in participating in such a business? Hmmmm I wonder.

    If anyone doubted for one second where all the money is going when the sites are run from foreign tax havens or native reserves where they are exempt from regulated business practices, they have their head buried in the sand. It shouldn't come as a surprise. End of story.
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  25. here's cliff notes:

    the Mohawks of Kahnawake who are involved in internet gambling are a corrupt, drug dealing, money stealing, organized crime mob.

    and unfortunately i'd estimate that they own well over 50% of all online gambling sites.
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  26. that would be correct. I posted this on 2+2 if you google this address

    1470 Route 138 Kahnawake....almost every major online poker room/casino/bingo palace etc runs a server out of Kahnawake..... Lets just say Indians of a feather flock together.
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    Originally Posted by Irongirl View Post

    that would be correct. I posted this on 2+2 if you google this address

    1470 Route 138 Kahnawake....almost every major online poker room/casino/bingo palace etc runs a server out of Kahnawake..... Lets just say Indians of a feather flock together.

    here is your post from 2+2:

    Originally Posted by irongirl01
    Morris Mohawk Gaming Group
    P.O. Box 2190
    Kahnawake Office Complex
    Kahnawake, Quebec
    J0L 1B0
    Tel: 450-633-5100
    Fax: 450-633-0601

    Morris Mohawk Gaming Group is located on the Mohawk Territory of Kahnawake, part of the seven communities that make up the Mohawk Nation and is licensed to offer gaming services to users worldwide. Morris Mohawk Gaming Group is led by noted Canadian sportsman and First Nations leader Alwyn Morris (dude won a couple of olympic medals in Kayaking apparently)

    Mohawk Internet Technologies
    1470 Route 138
    Kahnawake Mohawk Territory
    Quebec, Canada

    Telephone: +1.514.461.5100
    Fax: +1.514.461.5145

    They are located pretty damn close to each other postal codes are the same... Worse is pokerstars has conducted business out of Kahnawake also.

    Someone else posted that they are only 10 miles apart. Frankly, this is very disturbing and should be very disturbing to everyone.
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  28. im not sure, but isnt Paradise owned by the last of the mohicans?
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  29. and you guys have been wondering on UB and FTP why it takes so long for the "payment processors" to make your money available to you..

    this has always disturbed me about online poker sites..when you pay for a tourney buyin or cash game, that money should always be readily available for you to cashout..although there are many requests for withdrawl they should be able to be processed with the same ease it takes for a deposit imo..you would think any and all funds outside of rake and tourney fee profit would be held available at all times in a/multiple financial institutions for you to be able to withdarawl from..why this has never been the case has always unnerved me to an extent and even more so now that epassporte is not available for immediate withdrawl..if this comes to light to be true it will all make sense..if it is false then i will remain skeptical yet clueless about how it all works..
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  30. On Pokerstars when I check my connection status it gives a list of servers and Kanawakee is one of them. This seems odd as I thought Stars had nothing to do with them.
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