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So Last Night My Girlfriend Asked Me. . .

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"don't you feel bad taking other people's money all the time?"

"what if it's the last of their money or it really matters to them?"

"you always talk about finding soft tables and stuff, you know you're taking money from someone who thinks they can win but will always lose"

we were on the phone as i was driving into the casino parking lot for a session, and her side of that conversation just kept on like that!

i've been trying to be honest with her with everything in life so i try let her know every time i'm on the grind, which is almost daily, as any of you can imagine. i always read her as having some problem with me playing all of this poker, even though she said she was cool with everything.

any of you dealt with these types of questions from significant others, friends, or family members? how do you explain poker to them and how it's a perfectly acceptable and ethical profitable means to some monies?

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I don't ever feel bad about taking peoples money online. Sometimes I'll find myself feeling bad after I take money from some old nits live though. Especially if you kind of been kinda becoming m8s with them as they tell you their cool war stories and what not.

Do you feel bad taking my $ betting on if there were more people on the pendleton picture table with hats or without hats? Then on how long it would take bklg to exit the bathroom?

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ive posted this before but the best way to get a gf on your side is to give her a cut of a wins - in cash in a gangster style fashion 20s in a envelope you win 2k lets say toss her 100 bones so 5% no pay back lol its always worked for me and the few times you win big 10k + still do it and watch the love u get lol

Took my GF to London last spring... hehe, she's really into poker now, play money account and all

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tell her to stfu and make you a sandwich.

Couldnt say better myself except if she doesnt appreciate you making some money on other schmucks then she probably is too soft to be in the real world and you need to dump her. She sounds like someone that would rather work at a non profit company and feel good about herself but live in a crappy apartment then be successful at a career and actually try to live for the good life. Oh sure, we need people like that in this world, but they arent called girlfriends. They are called ugly, fat girls with lots of cats to come home to.

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Poker will always be frowned upon...and girlfriends will always have some sort of problem with what your doing...good luck finding people that 100% support playing poker for a living. Its nearly impossible to come by...and for good reason. Doesn't matter how good you are, you can always lose. Also...it is still considered "gambling" in everyone who doesn't play pokers eyes. Good luck

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Couldnt say better myself except if she doesnt appreciate you making some money on other schmucks then she probably is too soft to be in the real world and you need to dump her. She sounds like someone that would rather work at a non profit company and feel good about herself but live in a crappy apartment then be successful at a career and actually try to live for the good life. Oh sure, we need people like that in this world, but they arent called girlfriends. They are called ugly, fat girls with lots of cats to come home to.

That is such a retarded statement for something that is a legit concern to people who care about more then just their financial status in this ill-driven society. There is a distinct difference between being what you would call a softie who has compassion with those less well off just to feel better about themselves and those who actually question the morality of the things they do in life. To some living ' the good life' might not come with a career and financial succes and its not that we ' need those people too' - I have the feeling there are far too few of them.

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Can I give you younger guys a little advice about women?

If she doesn't support what you want to do...get out of the relationship.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

If you let her influence you about gambling, that will only be the start.

As far as taking peoples money goes, nobody forces them to gamble, you cant take care of every lame duck on the planet.

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Poker will always be frowned upon...and girlfriends will always have some sort of problem with what your doing...good luck finding people that 100% support playing poker for a living. Its nearly impossible to come by...and for good reason. Doesn't matter how good you are, you can always lose. Also...it is still considered "gambling" in everyone who doesn't play pokers eyes. Good luck

Your cups never been half full has it..

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Today I asked my gf what her thoughts were on this topic.

To great relief ..... *DRUM ROLL*

She agreed that it is not my fault and that they don't have to sit down at the table. Pretty much said if I am the one not getting total thrashed and losing my money she is happy.

She used to have a bad outlook on poker cause she had a d-bag bf before, but I have slowly show her how it does not have to be a bad thing and she doesn't mind poker as much anymore.

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According to my holdem manager I pay $10.32 an hour to have fun playing poker. What else is as much fun and such cheap entertainment as playing poker??? :-) It is my hard earned money and I will chose to spend it anyway I like :-)

This is the point. People play poker for entertainment. Because they are ok with losing a good amount and a lot of people play, it creates salaries for someone. It's much like the music, movie, professional sports, and even they guy playing on the street. I seriously can't walk 2 blocks without spending $10.32 nowadays and you can get your heart rate climbing when calling a huge bluff or pulling one off from the comfort of your own home. And don't forget that if the deck hits you hard enough in any tournament, you can win it.

As poker pros, you are more part of a player in the entertainment industry. It seems that our game has enough people that like playing with other players (think Full Tilt Pro/Moneymaker effect) that it enhances prize pools. You are just an actor playing a game.

If you want to tell your girlfriend what you do, tell her you are part of a game that people love and you spend your earnings somewhere, and the person who earns your rake spends their money somewhere (probably not the US since we can't be invested in a poker site probably,maybe,sort of under the law). If she keeps nagging you about poker and how you do nothing, you either have to deal with it or find someone else.

I've generally found two types of people out there with attitudes towards poker players. The "you do what! That's Awesome!!" camp and the very skeptical gambling is bad crowd. I think if anyone educated understands what's going on in this industry stays skeptical, they wouldn't be for me. You have to make that call on your own. Good luck sir.

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This is the point. People play poker for entertainment. Because they are ok with losing a good amount and a lot of people play, it creates salaries for someone. It's much like the music, movie, professional sports, and even they guy playing on the street. I seriously can't walk 2 blocks without spending $10.32 nowadays and you can get your heart rate climbing when calling a huge bluff or pulling one off from the comfort of your own home. And don't forget that if the deck hits you hard enough in any tournament, you can win it.

As poker pros, you are more part of a player in the entertainment industry. It seems that our game has enough people that like playing with other players (think Full Tilt Pro/Moneymaker effect) that it enhances prize pools. You are just an actor playing a game.

If you want to tell your girlfriend what you do, tell her you are part of a game that people love and you spend your earnings somewhere, and the person who earns your rake spends their money somewhere (probably not the US since we can't be invested in a poker site probably,maybe,sort of under the law). If she keeps nagging you about poker and how you do nothing, you either have to deal with it or find someone else.

I've generally found two types of people out there with attitudes towards poker players. The "you do what! That's Awesome!!" camp and the very skeptical gambling is bad crowd. I think if anyone educated understands what's going on in this industry stays skeptical, they wouldn't be for me. You have to make that call on your own. Good luck sir.

I found this and apology7's post very helpful

thanks for the help guys, i'll be able to defend this great game a lot better next time. oh and whoever said she'd be the type of person to want to work at a non-profit and stuff, you're right.

since the beginning of time it's always been every man for himself

it's an entrepreneurial game

i've been using the entrepreneurial aspect of it too, it's my best avenue to that right now

and i she already makes me sammiches; some of you are right though, i should order her to do that more often

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Can I give you younger guys a little advice about women?

If she doesn't support what you want to do...get out of the relationship.

Seriously this. Although, you shouldn't have to be experienced with relationships to realize that if your significant other is not accepting of one of your biggest hobbies that its not going to work.

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I've had issues with the gf not liking poker but not the same since she didn't care about other people going broke. I told her that with a % of my winnings over a grand or around there I would buy her something and that was the end of it. Of course I never really cash big or else I wouldn't be making that deal :P I'm sure she wouldn't be so concerned about you taking other peoples money if part of it was to buy her a new purse.

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the funny thing about it is that i dont see what we are doing anything for anyone,

a docter got to cure poeple,

a farmer provides people with vegatables and wine,

some dudes clean other peoples houses for money

We do the same things for people that actors, singers and other entertainers do, we help to provide entertainment. Without pro poker players there would be no top competititon for amateurs to test their "mettle" against and thus they'd get no entertainment value from poker. If playing poker is "immoral" because our job doesn't appear to help anyone else then so are the jobs of actor, pro baseball/football/basketball/etc player, professional singer, professional artist, professional ballet dancer, etc,etc, etc.

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Couldnt say better myself except if she doesnt appreciate you making some money on other schmucks then she probably is too soft to be in the real world and you need to dump her. She sounds like someone that would rather work at a non profit company and feel good about herself but live in a crappy apartment then be successful at a career and actually try to live for the good life. Oh sure, we need people like that in this world, but they arent called girlfriends. They are called ugly, fat girls with lots of cats to come home to.

best level account/post in awhile

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Seriously this. Although, you shouldn't have to be experienced with relationships to realize that if your significant other is not accepting of one of your biggest hobbies that its not going to work.

Exactly! Which is why i'm having this dilemma. I've really tried to explain poker to her in the past and i told her that i want her to understand everything about it because when she does understand she'll be ok with it. I'm just gonna keep grinding it out until she leaves in feb to study in peru for 5 months; then i'm going to be out of the AF in may and grind at the WSOP all of june and hopefully when she gets back in july i can show her the fruits of all my hard work and then that will be the final word about it.

I'll be going to school next year and plan on doing this for my income. now before you guys completely tear that plan apart, just know that i'll be making approx $1315 per month extra during the year so it shouldn't be as hard. She needs to be ok with my occupation.

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