Jump to content
advertisement_alt
polosport061

When to top off stack.

Recommended Posts

More information is needed.

1. is it a 100bb cap, 200bb cap or is it a true No Limit game?

2. Do you have most of the players covered?

3. A caveat is to be sure you are comfortable playing with what ever BR you have on the table. Don't play with a stack that makes you play scared. Ask yourself: "Can I stack off with no regrets?" If stacking off will bust your BR or put you on tilt if you lose, find some happy medium to maintain for the game.

Ideally, you should keep your stack topped off to the max or something to cover the table. You cannot win money with your bank roll in your pocket.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Max here is 100bb. As far as having people covered, I was just looking more in a general way. A prime example of what I mean is like comparing to online when you lost a hand you could adjust the settings to put you back up to 200 after the hand. Obviously I dont want to buy chips ten dollars at a time so was just looking at what people do in general.

Link to post
Share on other sites

If I was in a $1/$2 100bb stack game, I'd top off if I got $30 (15bb) down. I might keep $50 to $100 in $5-chips in my pocket so I would not be bothering the dealer every time I got down.

The two or three casinos I play don't have the 100bb rule in play. We play what we can afford to put on the table comfortably.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I use a 50% & 3X Rule. No matter what I buy in when I lose down to 50% of my starting stack I reload. The last thing I want to do is double and still be down for the session. Up until that point I'm telling my self I'm only one hand from being back on top. Another rule I have is if I ever triple up at a no cap table then I get up and remove the excess chips into my bank roll. IT IS A LOSING PROPOSITION IF YOUR OUT STACKED TO CONTINUE PLAYING NO LIMIT. If you have a guy dominated twice in a row it's basically a coin flip that you'll win both and if you get a guy all in dominated 3 times in a row it's actually over 60% probability that you will LOSE on of the three. Why would have have to win several pots against someone to build my stack only to lose it in one swing. I for one do not do that. Obviously in a cap came there no reason to implement this if the other player reloading cannot cripple you. Sure you lose that potential to win that MONSTER but keep in mind that you should be satisfied winning post of your starting stack just fine. Nothing worst than tripling up then losing it all in 1 cooler, beat or even bad play. IMO Would like other peoples thoughts on this but there's always those couple guys sitting with several thousand at a 1/2 or 2/5 game and it's just not worth it to me.

Link to post
Share on other sites
More information is needed.

1. is it a 100bb cap, 200bb cap or is it a true No Limit game?

2. Do you have most of the players covered?

3. A caveat is to be sure you are comfortable playing with what ever BR you have on the table. Don't play with a stack that makes you play scared. Ask yourself: "Can I stack off with no regrets?" If stacking off will bust your BR or put you on tilt if you lose, find some happy medium to maintain for the game.

Ideally, you should keep your stack topped off to the max or something to cover the table. You cannot win money with your bank roll in your pocket.

'no limit' refers to the bet sizing allowed on each street...in no limit there is (you guessed it) no limit to waht you can bet...as opposed to pot limit, where you can only bet up to the size of the pot...or limit, where the bet sizing is pre-determined for you. there's also spread poker...one that's popular is 1-5 stud...where you can bet or raise between 1 and $5 on each street.

also...you should top off whenever your'e below the max buy in

Link to post
Share on other sites
I use a 50% & 3X Rule. No matter what I buy in when I lose down to 50% of my starting stack I reload. The last thing I want to do is double and still be down for the session. Up until that point I'm telling my self I'm only one hand from being back on top. Another rule I have is if I ever triple up at a no cap table then I get up and remove the excess chips into my bank roll. IT IS A LOSING PROPOSITION IF YOUR OUT STACKED TO CONTINUE PLAYING NO LIMIT. If you have a guy dominated twice in a row it's basically a coin flip that you'll win both and if you get a guy all in dominated 3 times in a row it's actually over 60% probability that you will LOSE on of the three. Why would have have to win several pots against someone to build my stack only to lose it in one swing. I for one do not do that. Obviously in a cap came there no reason to implement this if the other player reloading cannot cripple you. Sure you lose that potential to win that MONSTER but keep in mind that you should be satisfied winning post of your starting stack just fine. Nothing worst than tripling up then losing it all in 1 cooler, beat or even bad play. IMO Would like other peoples thoughts on this but there's always those couple guys sitting with several thousand at a 1/2 or 2/5 game and it's just not worth it to me.

I would like to hear some thoughts on this. Seems to me like it might be flawed logic. According to way im reading this, once you double up twice thru someone, get up and leave because the odds to do it again arent there.

Link to post
Share on other sites
I would like to hear some thoughts on this. Seems to me like it might be flawed logic. According to way im reading this, once you double up twice thru someone, get up and leave because the odds to do it again arent there.

I'm talking only in a no cap game. Let's say you buy in to a 1/2 game with $300. Two are thee people at the table have $2k-3k. You double up with AA vs QQ. Now you have $600. You double up when you flop a set vs someones kings now you have $1200. Your still 1 hand away from going bust. That's all I'm saying. The point I made to support this is that lets assume your AK vs AQ 3 times. The math says your PROBABLE to lose one of the 3. So if the people at the table have you covered you'll end up broke. Just something to think about if your at a NO MAX table. I would not recommend at all on a capped table. Connie Gowen wrote an article one time about people play very long sessions when they're losing and short sessions when they're winning. If your playing well I would play as long as I could. And in the post above I only meant I'd stop for long enough to get those winnings off the table.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I hear what you're saying, but you're not putting all the chips in preflop, so the idea of going broke because you'll eventually lose a flip doesn't apply. If the people with the really deep stacks are better than you, then yes, leaving is probably a good idea. However, if you have a skill advantage and can outplay them post flop, I'm not sure if I follow the logic of leaving the table. It seems to me staying is the best option since you can play for stacks against opponents over whom you have an edge.

Link to post
Share on other sites
I'm talking only in a no cap game. Let's say you buy in to a 1/2 game with $300. Two are thee people at the table have $2k-3k. You double up with AA vs QQ. Now you have $600. You double up when you flop a set vs someones kings now you have $1200. Your still 1 hand away from going bust. That's all I'm saying. The point I made to support this is that lets assume your AK vs AQ 3 times. The math says your PROBABLE to lose one of the 3. So if the people at the table have you covered you'll end up broke. Just something to think about if your at a NO MAX table. I would not recommend at all on a capped table. Connie Gowen wrote an article one time about people play very long sessions when they're losing and short sessions when they're winning. If your playing well I would play as long as I could. And in the post above I only meant I'd stop for long enough to get those winnings off the table.

I've been on the bad end of this but I totally disagree. Playing 1/2 i had an $800 stack on a $300 buyin. but there was a $1200 stack and an $1100 stack out there. I stayed as fish kept showing up, but also to cooler the big stacks. Granted I ended up getting set over setted, which sucked, but I'd do it again, it's why we play the game.

Link to post
Share on other sites
I've been on the bad end of this but I totally disagree. Playing 1/2 i had an $800 stack on a $300 buyin. but there was a $1200 stack and an $1100 stack out there. I stayed as fish kept showing up, but also to cooler the big stacks. Granted I ended up getting set over setted, which sucked, but I'd do it again, it's why we play the game.

"YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME"

Link to post
Share on other sites

I agree tyson219. Your not going to get that much in the middle pre. I have just found it very difficult to overcome those large stacks long term by leaving the money on the table. It took me 4-5 hands to get it I don't want to give it up in one. I've seen the set over set or flop the nuts and get outdrawn happen too many times. In regards to playing to win the game putting a substantial profit in your pocket and continue playing with the amount you planned on to start with is winning. With that said that's merely one opinion and I wish anyone the best with however they chose to play out the situation.

Link to post
Share on other sites
I use a 50% & 3X Rule. No matter what I buy in when I lose down to 50% of my starting stack I reload. The last thing I want to do is double and still be down for the session. Up until that point I'm telling my self I'm only one hand from being back on top. Another rule I have is if I ever triple up at a no cap table then I get up and remove the excess chips into my bank roll. IT IS A LOSING PROPOSITION IF YOUR OUT STACKED TO CONTINUE PLAYING NO LIMIT. If you have a guy dominated twice in a row it's basically a coin flip that you'll win both and if you get a guy all in dominated 3 times in a row it's actually over 60% probability that you will LOSE on of the three. Why would have have to win several pots against someone to build my stack only to lose it in one swing. I for one do not do that. Obviously in a cap came there no reason to implement this if the other player reloading cannot cripple you. Sure you lose that potential to win that MONSTER but keep in mind that you should be satisfied winning post of your starting stack just fine. Nothing worst than tripling up then losing it all in 1 cooler, beat or even bad play. IMO Would like other peoples thoughts on this but there's always those couple guys sitting with several thousand at a 1/2 or 2/5 game and it's just not worth it to me.

With all due respect.....

Don't do this. This is extremely flawed logic. If you are playing your best and the game is soft, you should never quit the game. If you feel like you have an edge over the big stacks, as stated previously, you should be in there looking to break them. It would be extremely foolish to get up. If you are leaving when oppritunities such as these arise, you are playing with scared money and shouldn't be in the game in the first place. Also, most casinos won't allow you to put your profit in the pocket and play with the winnings. If you are scared to lose all your profits in one hand because set over set might come, then you should go play chess.

With all due respect......

Link to post
Share on other sites
I'm talking only in a no cap game. Let's say you buy in to a 1/2 game with $300. Two are thee people at the table have $2k-3k. You double up with AA vs QQ. Now you have $600. You double up when you flop a set vs someones kings now you have $1200. Your still 1 hand away from going bust. That's all I'm saying. The point I made to support this is that lets assume your AK vs AQ 3 times. The math says your PROBABLE to lose one of the 3. So if the people at the table have you covered you'll end up broke. Just something to think about if your at a NO MAX table. I would not recommend at all on a capped table. Connie Gowen wrote an article one time about people play very long sessions when they're losing and short sessions when they're winning. If your playing well I would play as long as I could. And in the post above I only meant I'd stop for long enough to get those winnings off the table.

oh ok, well then in that case I think it is good adivce. I didnt think about someone having 2-3K. Id love to turn 300 into 1200, I wouldnt walk from the table, I would run to get to the bank

Link to post
Share on other sites

Interesting discussion its all about your personal preferences-if you feel like you dont play well mentally when you have tripled up because of a lot of profit that you feel is now urs than that is a reason to get up and leave-but dont leave because you feel like you are less likely to win an allin when dominating an opponent-clearly the odds dont change in individual circumstances but over time they will add up-at $2-$5 i like to top off when down 100 at a time and if i had $5 chips in my pocket then i would use those if i was down at all uder my $500 initial buyin-i may try leaving if i triple up from now on because i seem to get up and then lose it back but i will have to think about that -do most of u set a time limit on your play or play until ur tired or what?

Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


×

Important Information

We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue.