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Edwyn1577

Where have all the US players gone????

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Lol live pokers....personally I just started grinding lock and all has been well. Started out shipping some micros in my first few sessions and then proceeded to have a big day on sunday. I got 2nd in an online 33$ on sunday and it paid 2500$. I got 2nd in a live 175$ on valentines day and it paid less than 1k. Easy choice imo although I will always play live at least twice a month. As long as a can get this first cashout Ill be up over 10x my deposit and its easily worth the risk. Bovada has also been paying me really fast this whole time and I cant see any reason for any serious US player not to be doing some online grinding. Most ppl saying not to play probably cant beat online.

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Or they remember black friday, read the poker news about how the USG is still cracking down more, and are afraid to bink big and not be able to quickly get their money off. I don't blame people for playing online in the US, but to just simplify it and say they can't beat online, is definitely not the case. I have friends making a good living live (especially in California and Vegas) and they can play at mid/higher stakes cash games and tourneys while having their money there. You example of live vs online in those two tournaments, I bet the $175 had a ton less variance than the $33 online does, without the risk "as long as I can get the cashout." I mean I don't blame you or anyone else for playing online, but to just say its because they can't beat online isn't a valid argument to playing online if staying in the US.

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live tourney poker isnt nearly as profitable as online unless your playing wicked high stakes and traveling around to various events.

the rake is insanely high for small-medium tournaments and the structures usually blow. the fields although weak are generally small. online is obv a gamble at the moment but i think its a risk worth taking as long as your not keeping a huge roll online. Not to mention you need a huge roll to be able to play live anything successfully. online you can deposit 20 bucks and build it up from there.

cash games make the most sense if your going to be playing live consistently. 2/5 can make you a reasonable living. But honestly i hate the atmosphere of live poker. Not talking about major events as ive never played any(sure there fun). the day in and day out people that play poker on the reg is depressing to be around.

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If you live where I do, grinding live mtts for reliable money to pay bills isnt feasable. Maybe just my overall experience with live grinders are that theyre awful and cant win online. And yes the live 175$ i played was pretty pretty much a 3 table sng so not too much variance in that. I dont play cash games so online is my only way to get any kind of decent volume in. Playing 5 or 10 live mtts a week with 20% rake. Also bf hasnt been that bad for me in that i had a 1300$ roll on stars that I quickly received and I never played ft or ub/ap. I played fairly decent sng and mtt volume there and only started to get decent at the end. All of my big wins live and online have happened since then so I dont have that bitter vibe regarding it.

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Yeah, my friends making a comfortable living on live are playing higher than described. They don't need to travel alot because their is plenty of action in their areas. Just saying to different people there are different choices. Your point about bankroll size is well taken, however.

There are a variety of reasons why someone might choose to play online in the US despite the extra risks which I respect, a variety of reasons to leave the country, a variety of reasons to choose to play live, and a variety of reasons to just play recreationally even if you once played professionally. I was just making a point that different strokes for different folks and GL in whatever path you decide to utilize.

If you live where I do, grinding live mtts for reliable money to pay bills isnt feasable. Maybe just my overall experience with live grinders are that theyre awful and cant win online. And yes the live 175$ i played was pretty pretty much a 3 table sng so not too much variance in that. I dont play cash games so online is my only way to get any kind of decent volume in. Playing 5 or 10 live mtts a week with 20% rake. Also bf hasnt been that bad for me in that i had a 1300$ roll on stars that I quickly received and I never played ft or ub/ap. I played fairly decent sng and mtt volume there and only started to get decent at the end. All of my big wins live and online have happened since then so I dont have that bitter vibe regarding it.

Might be true if comparing an average 1/2 grinder or $60 MTT live, but alot of these guys playing higher could excel online. Your point about rake is valid. I guess what I was trying to say in my previous post was that what might make sense for one person to do, might not for another. Different paths work for different people, and I don't feel that one is right and one is wrong when weighing all the variables that are in play. For small stakes or low/midstakes players there are options online that don't parralel in the live world. For higher stakes cash games, however, the risk is too great for some people to leave money online they need to play with, so they either move or play live or take the risk and keep money online. GLGL in your path.

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Might be true if comparing an average 1/2 grinder or $60 MTT live, but alot of these guys playing higher could excel online. Your point about rake is valid. I guess what I was trying to say in my previous post was that what might make sense for one person to do, might not for another. Different paths work for different people, and I don't feel that one is right and one is wrong when weighing all the variables that are in play. For small stakes or low/midstakes players there are options online that don't parralel in the live world. For higher stakes cash games, however, the risk is too great for some people to leave money online they need to play with, so they either move or play live or take the risk and keep money online. GLGL in your path.

I'm a 1/2-3/6nl cash player w/ a $500 roll online that tries to run it up to $1500 and cashout a G. Rinse and repeat lol. Obv I don't trust having more than 2k online @ the moment so I play like 2 tables at a time.....legislation 1 timeeee

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hard to play 3/6 NL and constantly cash out on a $1500 roll. I played a bit of 3/6 PLO on merge doing well before and right after black friday, but felt nervous after black friday to keep more than $5k on the site, and with other online options took it off. I do agree with 1/2 though. GL to you, and do understand where you are coming from. I'd probably be playing on Merge myself if I still lived in the US, especially if more than 45 minutes away from the nearest good action casino.

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