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MacEwen    0

I do have proof, I opened a new account with pokerstars, I won the first two 2.50$ SNG rank 2. Then I finished the 2.5$ SNG in third rank. In about the first 3 days I won about 450$ in online mtt tournaments,

then I keep trying for 1 week and keep losing every tourney, with hands like AA vs Q7 winning, KK vs J7 offsuit winning, KQ vs TJ winning.

So many people can't be wrong.

lol

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High_Suit10    10

Poker is a game were the vast majority of players are loosing players. You are never going to beat the game until you completely eradicate the thought of online poker being rigged. Its like walking around with a chip on your shoulder. If you were giving more bad beats than taking them I would suggest reviewing your game. A bad beat is an indication we have found a good spot to get our money in and thats all you can hope for from poker. The game owes you nothing. If you cant handle the swings then dont play and keep your acquisitions to yourself.

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Gotskillz    1

I have played years and years on this site, and can vouch that it follows the full tilt approach and is minting money by hooking unsuspecting fishes, it is making at least a ten thousand dollars of profit a day.

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LMFAO A whole 10,000 usd a day stars makes?

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Why did youi reply that piss to me goat????? not my thread i just picked up on the fact the ballonn was blowing about winning $400 odd in a few days (if i remember right) and pointed out i svoped him and hes acctually only ever made $15 of winning ie he talks total piss!

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yoyo1804    10

1) Who created pokerstras? A jewish guy from post communist country in Eastern Europe who emigrated to Canada where he worked for IBM.

2) Did he write alone the whole code? I cant imagine he did. You need a group of people to do it due to its complexity and i cant imagine he hired a local group of programmers in Canada. Old connections - cheap labour - I am pretty sure the whole code for PS has been created in Russia or another post communist country.

3) Who are the Bosses at PS? The highest positions belong to guys with russian names. Mr. Scheinberg apparantly left the company now or decided to stay in the backround and the new boss ...well..Mr. Baazov (after Amaya deal), befor that they appointed Mr. Ravi Askenazi as chief operating officer. Almost like a family business, sure they are plenty of Mr. Smith's etc working "in the kitchen", but the absolute TOP is occupied by trusted own guys. Coincidence?

Russia and all these post communist countries are famous for their integrity and love of the truth, arent they?

Did someone checked their code, etc? Well, they hired a company which claims to be worlds.no 1 in providing integrity test of softs, etc. But....they have been paid by PS and they received the code sent to them by PS. Lets imagine we a have a person who is a suspect in murder and he now says "I'm clean and i will send you as a proof my gun so you can check whether it matches the bullet that killed the victim". If the dep. of justice would apply this rule as this was the case in poker business i bet we still would have many victims but no criminals. If they can decide what gun is going to be sent they would simply send a clean one, right..

So, of what value are these test? ZERO!

Recently i read a testimony written by employee of PS - Customer service advisor, and wow...that was so funny! Of cource she assured that the random generator is absolutely random etc, but thats not even the point. The point is....if we just imagine for a sec that the soft really is rigged, i hope we all agree agree that would be the biggest secret of that company known maybe by a few individuals? So, dear pokerstars - maybe let your cleaning stuff speak up and tell us whether your soft is rigged or not. They just repeat what they were told and are happy to have a job. So of what value are these testimonies? ZERO! Unless you think that in this business or any other like banking etc the access to the greatest secrects of the company is open to anybody employed by that company including customer service advisors or guys working at the reception:-) Even the high level management would not have access to that info, so you know what to do when you read a testimony or watch a video on youtube where someone from PS is telling you its absolutely legit. As Hitler once said "repeat the same lie constantly and it will become the truth"

Do I say the soft is rigged? No, i dont know same as you cant know for certain, same as 99,9% of PS employees cant know. I personally play sngs 180, and it doesnt make any sense. IN cash games yes, cos the soft can create action flops etc due to more rake in every hand but in sng or MTT's maybe excluding rebuys the pot is set. Whether you bust after 5 hands or after 500 hands the pokerstars will get from you the same amount of rake. So cant imagine why the soft should choose someone to win unless there are boots owned by pokerstars itself so the money from the prizepool flows back to them. I heared a theory that its always ev+ to lead a poker blog or be active in poker schooles etc cos stars are treating you like hired marketing people, the doomswitch is off and money flows to you and in return tousends of sheeps are reading your blog and see the great profit and graphs hitting their imagination "look how easy it is to make money in poker" but come on....doesnt make much sense at all, does it....

But there are always these funny coincidences. On 3th of August I made my very first withdrawal - up to this point i made like 4k$ in 9 months which isnt great but at least i am not a loosing player and instantly from that day i witnessed my worst downswing ever - 18 sesions in a row - only two on plus, 16 on minus and I lost half of that 4k profit. Ok it happens but why da fuk exactly at the moment when i made a withdrawal? I was so pissed that i withdrawed my whole bankroll. Now i deposited again which due to limits set by PS took me 3 days and I had some of my best sessions im history right away. Strange things! Today was my first day with no depositing and guess what - worst day ever, hahaha. Was losing everything like on assembly line, bad beat after bad beat. All in all - i dont say it is rigged but i do not rule out that posibility. Even if it is rigged in some way more or less who knows - that would be not even TOP 100 in SCAM in the history of human race on this planet

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wackyJaxon    0

The tests are done by worldwide recognized third party testing agencies and not just by PokerStars. I guess there could be a bigger conspiracy, but not sure what PokerStars would gain from it considering they built themselves as #1 by far on their reputation, trustworthy software, and great games.

As you mentioned, stranger things have happened. But until I see any evidence, I am going to keep thinking PokerStars is the most trusted brand in the industry for a good reason.

 
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AAKush420    10

gold lol

'' The secret pokerstars code to prevent bad beats is as follows

1. Play on a fixed stake and a fixed game like only a 8$ SNG 180man

2. Have a bankroll that is at least 100 times the game played

3. If bad beats occuring shut off games for a week.

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dandaman    10

Same exact frigging thing happened to me within the past two days of playing online! Had the best hands ever non stop as if some miracle happened came 2nd in the tourney won $180 and then I lost everything over the next 10 tourneys. Soo rigged...And for many many more reasons that make complete sense too

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dandaman    10

If there is a big tournament lets say where there are payouts in the thousands (let's say 50k) why wouldn't they put a few of their own in the tournament so that they don't really have to payout the first prize they win themselves especially when the payout is really big. Maybe they will let a few win to just show everyone and win a few themselves. They have a strategy to this whole thing they are not stupid

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allani12    10

If there is a big tournament lets say where there are payouts in the thousands (let's say 50k) why wouldn't they put a few of their own in the tournament so that they don't really have to payout the first prize they win themselves especially when the payout is really big. Maybe they will let a few win to just show everyone and win a few themselves. They have a strategy to this whole thing they are not stupid

yes well done I AGREE

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wackyJaxon    0

They make tons of money legit on each tournament. There is almost no chance PokerStars is doing this. You should avoid playing online if you think PokerStars, the most reputable poker site in the world, is doing this.

The problem is that you are putting your entire bankroll into 10 tournaments. This is horrible bankroll management.

 
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Harvey56    10

the thing is it is impossible to tell whether or not the game is rigged.

I have played with 2 different accounts (in some countries, you can't play on the .com platform). Each time, the same thing happened : I started with a deposit amount that I multiplied by 3 or 4 in just 4,5 weeks time playing occasionally, and playing micro stakes only. I would humbly say it is a pretty good performance. And then, my bankroll has been going slowly but surely down and down to the cellar. I found it strange that the exact same scenario happened after I opened a new PS account. it's as if the odds were largely on my side to make the beginner player I was believe I was very good at poker, and so, when my bankroll was going down, I would deposit more $ to PS.

I don't believe that with time and experience and better knowledge I have become a worse player.

Anyway, this is one thing. Another is obviously the weird bad beats. ABC poker tells you that you should play tight, and bet strongly with your good hands. So when you open bet strong preflop (x4BB) with a premium, Cbet 3/4 pot post flop on a dry board, and the villain who seemed to be rather tight until then, keeps calling you OOP until the river where he gets his flush draw (he was dealt 58os), you have reasons to think there is something wrong. this scenario happened to me a couple of times at some CG, and made me lost most of my stack.

I have wrote to PS once (it was when my long downswing started) because I was so upset with all the funny bad beats I seemed to suddenly experience. they replied me with a silly story that people's memory is selective, just like when you go out you only remember the bad restaurants you went to eat to.

Poker is a probabilities game. Poker is great for the folks who run the game, they can always hide behind the probabilities. You have been beaten 5 times this week on a 90/10 ? "It's the probabilities my friend, it happens sometimes, 10% of the time. Shall I tell you the story of the restaurant again ? no ? ok".

Afterall, poker is for PS a business, just like at the casino. And just like any business, the purpose of it is to maximize profits. So it just makes sense that they arrange the game to ensure the probabilities are always on their side, just like with a money machine/roulette/craps. if you think the casino is not rigged, then go back to high school and read again about probabilities.

IMO, the best that can be done, instead of throwing insults at each other, is to indeed initiate a study on a consequent number of hands. This is what the author of this thread is doing still today I believe. If they have a guy who master statistics in their team, he should also know well about probabilities and should be qualified enough to tell if the sample of hands taken is enough to get a trend. Then they compare the probabilities they get with the theoretical probabilities and we'll know.

Those who comment that 36 000 hands is not enough to draw conclusions, how many hands do you need ? do you wait to have more than 36 000 hands on a particular player with your HUD to start making assumptions about his behaviour at the table ?

Out of 36 000 hands, if we have say 500 hands where we are allin postflop with a pair and called with a lower pair, it should enable to start to see if the probabilities match the theoretical ones. if we win say only 300 out of the 500 such hands, then we have good reasons to start thinking the game is not fair.

There are websites, or at least one that I know of, which claim they have conducted such a study over a million hands, and they have concluded that it is not rigged at all. But we can't know who has conducted the study, what's their link to the poker industry, and better, they don't show the detail of their "study". They don't show the cards, hands numbers, player name etc...so that study is only good for the rubbish bin IMO.

If the author of this thread publish the details of his study, it will be worth it, no matter what the results are.

But most likely, we will still be back to where we started with no real proof that the game is/isn't rigged. So if you think it is, IMO the best approach you can have is either to switch to another platform, run by other people. PS being rigged doesn't mean carbon or 888 are rigged too. or just consider online poker as part of your learning. online poker allows you to practice at a low to very low cost.

just consider online poker as a way to prepare yourself for "real" live poker. I play some live games where each player will be the dealer each round. There is no doubt you can have on how fair the shuffling is.

I have noticed that very successful players like rousso, negreanu, elky etc... are never logged on PS, although they are sponsored. if the guys are so successful it is because they love the game. if they do, they should be so excited that when they are not playing live, they want to log on and play online at home. but i never see them. their live results make it undenieable that they are truly talented. they should show similar performance online if they played online. Is it because the prize pools are not high enough for them ? I haven't even seen these guys playing the wcoop. ok, they could be playing under a different name to remain under the radar. but then they would still brag about their performance on their twitter which they don't do.

If you convinced yourself on whatever basis that online poker is rigged, that's the best you can do. insulting the game, or insulting other players because of their weird calls sends you nowhere, and it is actually a loser approach.

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Harvey56    10

They make tons of money legit on each tournament. There is almost no chance PokerStars is doing this. You should avoid playing online if you think PokerStars, the most reputable poker site in the world, is doing this.

The problem is that you are putting your entire bankroll into 10 tournaments. This is horrible bankroll management.

i'm sorry, this is not a valid argument. FTP was also making tons of money, and yet, well you know the story.

the reason why it is absolutely not a valid argument lies in one word : greed. most people are greedy, especially the wealthy ones, and enough is never enough. read books about wall street, it is full of stories of people/companies who crossed the line of legality while still aware of what they were doing, because of greed.

The argument that they already make tons of money so they have no reason to cheat is good for the rubbish bin.

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yoyo1804    10

i'm sorry, this is not a valid argument. FTP was also making tons of money, and yet, well you know the story.

the reason why it is absolutely not a valid argument lies in one word : greed. most people are greedy, especially the wealthy ones, and enough is never enough. read books about wall street, it is full of stories of people/companies who crossed the line of legality while still aware of what they were doing, because of greed.

The argument that they already make tons of money so they have no reason to cheat is good for the rubbish bin.

Amen. Absolute poker, FTP. Ipoker is runned by another Israeli jewish person already sentenced in Isreal for cheating, money laundry, etc.

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tomy    10

I am still waiting for someone to give good arguments with sound logic in any of this rigged threads all across the internet here or in any other poker forum. Never. Always bad beat stories and conspiracy theories. I want to believe, but...

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squire1888    10

'Our first report will reveal the statistics and data gathered from analyzing over 36,000 hands on The pokerstars network.

Our researchers played in a variety of low to mid stakes SNG's and Rebuys tournaments in the first quarter of 2014 and the information was filed analysed and studied by several experienced poker pro's, a qualified statistician and two key industry experts.'

a 36k hand sample is a month of cash game grinding, try 1 mil hands ul get closer to the true numbers, a few annomolys are likely short term, a company that makes a million a day in rake doesnt need to rig anything lol grow up

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