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07keith    10

i see your point completely i was in a tourney last nite but it was on a different site i.e boylepoker and it was a pretty decent game ipops 10k 5€ multi entry r/a and a guy was going allin every 2nd or 3rd hand and killing it with 94o and similar hands 1 been 84s v AA and flopping trips lol unreal he eventually was chip leader with 85k when the blinds were 100-200 a few hours into the game and i checked him he busted so some justice there. Another thing that struck me was a guy that only joined that day and had no previous games on the site finished 3rd for 1500€ and when i checked him out he has no other site names or records so that was strange. i decided to look a bit deeper and found that any big major tournament wins there are very little records of some winners with hardly a game played after there big wins?? if pokersites have bots its wrong, unethical and fraud goodluck with your research keep us posted!!

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07keith    10

It must be proven though as i have experienced thousands of bad beats over the years, and i'm about 80-20% in favor of the sites been legit and genuine, anything is possible these days when it comes to scams from hacking emails to the illuminati but poker is poker and all you can do is familiarize yourself with the game and hopefully avoid these nasty bad beats when you see them comming, at the end of the day when you sit at the table there are other players just like you and you have to make the decisions not the software and even if there is a bot on the table it will be exposed by playing bad hands, if it's winning with them stay away from confrontation with them!! if there are bots its a disgrace to online poker seriously! but i would strongly like to agree with the game been fair! and as many have said the sites make tons of profit per second they will never lose ever.

RUNGOOD.....

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JDoug    10

People don't realise that that 20/100 of losing means 1/5 time you will lose under the circumstances. If people get lucky you would still beat them 80 times in 100 games...

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Omgtrich    10

"Also lol at the eastern European thing. I've met quite a few via poker that I speak to on skype and they do all pretty much speak perfect English. You do know it's the number 1 most spoke language in the world right? FACT "

I thought Chinese Mandairin or w/e its called was.

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"Also lol at the eastern European thing. I've met quite a few via poker that I speak to on skype and they do all pretty much speak perfect English. You do know it's the number 1 most spoke language in the world right? FACT "

I thought Chinese Mandairin or w/e its called was.

I lol'd.

You really can't say that because a 'grinder' said English is the most common so it must be FACT! (even though it is 3rd in the real world)

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pohvak    10

I've ran like crap for the past few months. Must be fixed lol.

I've played more than 65k hands in a month though, that isn't that much.

It's not surprising you can find unusual play when you sift through a large amount of data. Some players like to gamble....

Also lol at the eastern European thing. I've met quite a few via poker that I speak to on skype and they do all pretty much speak perfect English. You do know it's the number 1 most spoke language in the world right? FACT

the most spoke language in the world is mandarin , not english

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rwp_gislin2    10

the most spoke language in the world is mandarin , not english

Actually it is a little known fact that 18% of all so called "Mandarin speakers" are mute having had their tongues cut out for speaking against the goverment. so They are not really #1. Check it out, this if for sure not made up.

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japanese    10

I can only add my own experience with the site.

1st long lasting "downswings" and almost 0EV on premium hands in tournament showdowns present itself as a good evidence.

2nd I got cheated by two croatian players, that colluded in 20k tournament. They posted chat on the wall and they adjusted they play according to their deal to secure 1st and 2nd place, respectively. The only result that "FAMOUS" Stars Support could provide was RUG SWEEPING so they don't have to deal with the issue.

There might be more. I remember tournament where myself and my friend were playing a guy in tournament. We were only 3 players left. We had premiums AA-KK on 6 occasions and Villain have won 6/6 with ATC.

The only reason I never posted full details and HHs anywhere online, like 2+2 etc is, that I know how PS works. And I want to keep my account from their influence. I can agree and side with everyone who would like to bring Stars to justice.

They cheated way too many players out of greed over the years and I am confident they still do so. Their latest surveys shows that all they are interested in are money of the players. Nothing else.

If you know about one site, that at least appears clean, please let me know. I will try them..

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wackyJaxon    0

This thread reminds me why online poker can still be profitable despite the game becoming more difficult in recent years. Thank you for the bump and better luck.

For your 2nd point, I know players that have personally reported similar collusion and had the prizes adjusted for this. Stars is diligent on researching these types of things when brought to their attention. I haven't had any friends tell me about something like this since the Amaya purchase, but can't imagine they still wouldn't want to get to the bottom of something like this as it is in everyone's best interest to do so outside the cheaters.

 
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frick    10

Its not rigged obv. Pokerstars doesnt need to rig it, they crush profit on entry fees. The fact of the matter is the game is mainly luck. 1 Million hands for a sample. hahahhahhahahha. Between entry fees, variance, coaching (lol), software purchase (lol) how can one expect to make a salary off this game.....you cant. Unless you consider 15k a year a salary, working 80 hours a week. You can make more flippin burgs at mcds. Just quit chasing the pipedream and play poker for fun

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BotLand    10

First thing, about the 36k sample

Let's do a little comparison okay? Youtube runs a views validity verification on videos when they reach 301 views. Not 301K views, 301: three hundred and one. Thats pretty low huh? But one of the biggest money making site in the world judges thats it's enough to determinate if the views are rigged or not, are coming from bots or not.

So anyone saying 36K hands is not enough of a sample for the first step of a study either is working for PS or saying plain BS. I know there's quite a lot of possible hands, play situations, flops, turns and rivers possibles, not to mention there are hundreds of thousands of hands played simultaneously on PS, but when you know how to conduct a study, 36 000 hands is more than enough.

Poll companies use a thing called ''mathematics'' I don't know if you ''too small of a sample arguers'' heard about it, but with a reasonable sample and some formulaes, it allows competent people to figure out patterns about habits, reactions, probabilities and a bunch of other interresting stuff. The smaller the sample, the bigger the thing we call a ''margin of error''.

We don't know the margin of error here, and to be fair we don't know much except for a couple anecdotes by a guy who have ''PS is rigged'' for a nickname... the problem is these anecdotes ring very familiar for too many of us. On the other hand, another thing we don't know is how many of the ''PS is legit'' and such comments actually come from PS staff. I mean, why would you lose time defending a billion $ making company? You're their atorney? For the love of online poker? Because it deserves it? To serve justice to it's fair chevaleresque values? To right it's wrongfully marred reputation? BS.

2nd thing, what would you think about?

I know one thing for sure. A human behind any poker game program wanted to make money. This is why he put time and invested in it in the first place. It's a business man, who wanted to make a profit, to ensure a profit. Then to maximize his profit. And to make damn sure he didn't lose money.

So, you're the owner of PS. Beyond entry fees, which are a very good source of income as long as there is a f***ing lot of people playing, but is not a guaranteed source of revenue, especially when you have several K garanteed in prize pools; beyong that, (lets even start from there and pretend that it was honest at the start): when you reach the ceiling of profit you can make with entry fees, what's the first idea you get in order to make more money with the game? Because you make tons of it, and you're in the poker business,you don't tell yourself ''I'm making enough I'll retire'' you seek a way to make more, human nature, plain and simple.

As a poker player, how could you raise your chances? I mean raise your chances, not raise the pot to make other players fold. Unless you're rainman, the only way is to cheat by collusion with a friend, to get more data on what,s going on in the deck. Now let's be frank, PS runs the program, so they have all the data in the world if they want to. Wether they'll admit that they use it or not, they have it, they create/program these goddamn hands! Your hands!

As the owner/controller of the thing, you don't mind diminishing the chances of the players: one loses, another will win, you gain nothing. You don't mind who wins or loses, unless you have a horse in the race (read horses exponent a couple digits). What do you do? Put in bots that win prizes. You control the data, you create the hands, you manage everything. On a 12K entries tournament (that's about 1300 tables?) let's say you put in 500 bots (one every 2,6 table, who'll notice heh?). Some qualify, some lose just to make it look pretty: you make money, because who confirm these bots really payed the entry fee in the first place: you.

Now I'm nobody in a basement with no means and an average brain, so if you think a billions$ making company that programmed the thing in the first place hasn't thought about that and put a couple mils in research and development to get it done already, your faith in humanity may prove equal to Jesus'.

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allani12    10

First thing, about the 36k sample

Let's do a little comparison okay? Youtube runs a views validity verification on videos when they reach 301 views. Not 301K views, 301: three hundred and one. Thats pretty low huh? But one of the biggest money making site in the world judges thats it's enough to determinate if the views are rigged or not, are coming from bots or not.

So anyone saying 36K hands is not enough of a sample for the first step of a study either is working for PS or saying plain BS. I know there's quite a lot of possible hands, play situations, flops, turns and rivers possibles, not to mention there are hundreds of thousands of hands played simultaneously on PS, but when you know how to conduct a study, 36 000 hands is more than enough.

Poll companies use a thing called ''mathematics'' I don't know if you ''too small of a sample arguers'' heard about it, but with a reasonable sample and some formulaes, it allows competent people to figure out patterns about habits, reactions, probabilities and a bunch of other interresting stuff. The smaller the sample, the bigger the thing we call a ''margin of error''.

We don't know the margin of error here, and to be fair we don't know much except for a couple anecdotes by a guy who have ''PS is rigged'' for a nickname... the problem is these anecdotes ring very familiar for too many of us. On the other hand, another thing we don't know is how many of the ''PS is legit'' and such comments actually come from PS staff. I mean, why would you lose time defending a billion $ making company? You're their atorney? For the love of online poker? Because it deserves it? To serve justice to it's fair chevaleresque values? To right it's wrongfully marred reputation? BS.

2nd thing, what would you think about?

I know one thing for sure. A human behind any poker game program wanted to make money. This is why he put time and invested in it in the first place. It's a business man, who wanted to make a profit, to ensure a profit. Then to maximize his profit. And to make damn sure he didn't lose money.

So, you're the owner of PS. Beyond entry fees, which are a very good source of income as long as there is a f***ing lot of people playing, but is not a guaranteed source of revenue, especially when you have several K garanteed in prize pools; beyong that, (lets even start from there and pretend that it was honest at the start): when you reach the ceiling of profit you can make with entry fees, what's the first idea you get in order to make more money with the game? Because you make tons of it, and you're in the poker business,you don't tell yourself ''I'm making enough I'll retire'' you seek a way to make more, human nature, plain and simple.

As a poker player, how could you raise your chances? I mean raise your chances, not raise the pot to make other players fold. Unless you're rainman, the only way is to cheat by collusion with a friend, to get more data on what,s going on in the deck. Now let's be frank, PS runs the program, so they have all the data in the world if they want to. Wether they'll admit that they use it or not, they have it, they create/program these goddamn hands! Your hands!

As the owner/controller of the thing, you don't mind diminishing the chances of the players: one loses, another will win, you gain nothing. You don't mind who wins or loses, unless you have a horse in the race (read horses exponent a couple digits). What do you do? Put in bots that win prizes. You control the data, you create the hands, you manage everything. On a 12K entries tournament (that's about 1300 tables?) let's say you put in 500 bots (one every 2,6 table, who'll notice heh?). Some qualify, some lose just to make it look pretty: you make money, because who confirm these bots really payed the entry fee in the first place: you.

Now I'm nobody in a basement with no means and an average brain, so if you think a billions$ making company that programmed the thing in the first place hasn't thought about that and put a couple mils in research and development to get it done already, your faith in humanity may prove equal to Jesus'.

YOU SPEAK TRUTH

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StrugLife    10

lol LOVE IT

LMFAO, this guys reactions are classic. Priceless..

"Aces, thank you asshole! Nine jack... What a fuckin idiot. You've gotta be kidding me, OMG... You've gotta be kidding me. *mash keyboard* I don't fucking believe this...

ROFL best laugh I had in a little while. Tank you soo much, you own.

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Chapps30    10

Its not rigged obv. Pokerstars doesnt need to rig it, they crush profit on entry fees. The fact of the matter is the game is mainly luck. 1 Million hands for a sample. hahahhahhahahha. Between entry fees, variance, coaching (lol), software purchase (lol) how can one expect to make a salary off this game.....you cant. Unless you consider 15k a year a salary, working 80 hours a week. You can make more flippin burgs at mcds. Just quit chasing the pipedream and play poker for fun

Hit the nail on the head, it doesn't matter how many books you've read, videos you've watched, coaching you've had, it's pure luck. As long as you have the basics down, your AA, KKs are gonna get cracked by some idiot who plays any hand, the hard thing is to get over it.

I've lost count the amount of times i've played a good game for 3-4 hrs to get my "better" hand smashed by shit.

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rwp_gislin2    10

You have to realize that none of the posters giving detailed info as to how pokerstars is rigged or could be rigged or really beliving that it is have any considerable amount of winnings or volume played. Most are just bad players or players that have just been unlucky while only playing a small sample and saying its rigged because AA lost to 55 AIPF twice last week... - Pokerstars COULD build bots to play tournaments sure... but do you risk having an inside man blow the whistle and lose the 500 million dollars a year that you currently make in profits? I don't think you do. There is no reason to risk the cash cow that you currently run by running bots or whatnot. I don't work for pokerstars so I can't confirm that they don't lol but common sense dictates its on the up and up.

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Ccchalker    10

You guys have to understand, poker stars is rigged but just not the way you guys think. Yes there are bots, but very small amount compared to the number of human players. Yes the hands are programmed to generate action, but it's not to favor any specific player. The RNG is very easily changed. We got audited three times since 2008, but there's plenty of notice so it's not difficult to change the backend. Go google the governing bodies who do the audit and you'll also see the key people don't have the cleanest reputations. Just don't play online. Go play at a casino.

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