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allani12    10

its rigged!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -9

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goofus    10

If there wasn't any losers, and new money entering the site(s), it wouldn't take long for the action to dry up. It would be beneficial for the poker sites to see who will rebuy when busted, and peg them as habitual re-buyers, to keep the flow of new money entering the site. Of course if the players lost their money quickly, they would be less inclined to re-buy, so the site gives you a sense of winning when you deposit, and over time you will have to rebuy. GL at the tables.

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StrugLife    10

ALGORITHMS.........................

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15% EXTRA EQUITY TO DONKEY PLAYERS WHO MAKE LEAST +EV LINE.

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StrugLife    10

If there wasn't any losers, and new money entering the site(s), it wouldn't take long for the action to dry up. It would be beneficial for the poker sites to see who will rebuy when busted, and peg them as habitual re-buyers, to keep the flow of new money entering the site. Of course if the players lost their money quickly, they would be less inclined to re-buy, so the site gives you a sense of winning when you deposit, and over time you will have to rebuy. GL at the tables.

are you fuckin NUTS? If they were going to rig the software this is the last fuckin way they would do it. This shit doesnt even make sense, jesus, im embarased for this post.

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monkey123456    10

Hellow I keep telling people online poker is rigged but they keep saying hand history proves it is not as I used to run a poker forum I contacted the las vegas online gaming comision and got a answer back from their techs.They

said in a email to me that hand history does not within itself prove a site is not rigged I got banned from two plus two because they do not want the poker world to know the truth.

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allani12    10

Hellow I keep telling people online poker is rigged but they keep saying hand history proves it is not as I used to run a poker forum I contacted the las vegas online gaming comision and got a answer back from their techs.They

said in a email to me that hand history does not within itself prove a site is not rigged I got banned from two plus two because they do not want the poker world to know the truth.

THIS IS SERIOUS IF TRUE UNBELIEVABLE

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JDoug    10

Hellow I keep telling people online poker is rigged but they keep saying hand history proves it is not as I used to run a poker forum I contacted the las vegas online gaming comision and got a answer back from their techs.They

said in a email to me that hand history does not within itself prove a site is not rigged I got banned from two plus two because they do not want the poker world to know the truth.

Wow. Sounds legit. Everyone stop playing the poker. Online poker is rigged

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monkey123456    10

I have the email I myself don't believe all site cheat but most do but this age old theory that hand history is the prove all is a bunch of bs on many levels.There is a large majority of online poker sites that has no regulation at all anyone can research this.People need to know what they are getting into when they decide to try online poker.

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wackyJaxon    0

lol we have a poker site shill easy to spot on these forums lmao

You are a schill.

Seriously though, I don't get paid by any poker site, and am critical of them in my articles (and posts) on here and other sites when they deserve it. But love people that think its rigged and keep playing. If you really think its rigged, just play live or play something else online. No point in playing if your mentality isn't about improving your game and having fun and you are focused on the bad beats like this one with 60 or so left in the supersonic on Sunday. (no, its not rigged, shit like this happens)

PokerStars Hand #130586260092: Tournament #1115914221, €35.75+€35.75+€3.50 EUR Hold'em No Limit - Level XXXII (7000/14000) - 2015/02/16 3:17:41 EET [2015/02/15 20:17:41 ET]

Table '1115914221 79' 9-max Seat #6 is the button

Seat 1: JonBongJovi (155604 in chips)

Seat 2: kissmyas26 (120922 in chips)

Seat 3: ex6- (465491 in chips)

Seat 5: TOmuchFRENCH (277402 in chips)

Seat 6: I_M_AK183 (107701 in chips)

Seat 7: BETenCOURS (96553 in chips)

Seat 8: FrenchyJaxon (85438 in chips)

Seat 9: #FRench(C0.) (387923 in chips)

JonBongJovi: posts the ante 1750

kissmyas26: posts the ante 1750

ex6-: posts the ante 1750

TOmuchFRENCH: posts the ante 1750

I_M_AK183: posts the ante 1750

BETenCOURS: posts the ante 1750

FrenchyJaxon: posts the ante 1750

#FRench(C0.): posts the ante 1750

BETenCOURS: posts small blind 7000

FrenchyJaxon: posts big blind 14000

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to FrenchyJaxon [Th Ts]

#FRench(C0.): folds

JonBongJovi has timed out

JonBongJovi: folds

JonBongJovi is sitting out

kissmyas26: folds

JonBongJovi has returned

ex6-: folds

TOmuchFRENCH: folds

I_M_AK183: raises 91951 to 105951 and is all-in

BETenCOURS: folds

FrenchyJaxon: calls 69688 and is all-in

Uncalled bet (22263) returned to I_M_AK183

*** FLOP *** [3s 2d 9h]

*** TURN *** [3s 2d 9h] [7h]

*** RIVER *** [3s 2d 9h 7h] [2c]

*** SHOW DOWN ***

FrenchyJaxon: shows [Th Ts] (two pair, Tens and Deuces)

I_M_AK183: shows [8s 2h] (three of a kind, Deuces)

I_M_AK183 collected 188376 from pot

I_M_AK183 wins the €35.75 bounty for eliminating FrenchyJaxon

FrenchyJaxon finished the tournament in 57th place and received €114.56.

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot 188376 | Rake 0

Board [3s 2d 9h 7h 2c]

Seat 1: JonBongJovi folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 2: kissmyas26 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 3: ex6- folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 5: TOmuchFRENCH folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 6: I_M_AK183 (button) showed [8s 2h] and won (188376) with three of a kind, Deuces

Seat 7: BETenCOURS (small blind) folded before Flop

Seat 8: FrenchyJaxon (big blind) showed [Th Ts] and lost with two pair, Tens and Deuces

Seat 9: #FRench(C0.) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Live poker is rigged though, so I prefer online.

 
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monkey123456    10

most sites are not regulated you can not prove it is not rigged facts are facts all you have to do people is research these sites if the are in certain countries they have no regs period.

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wackyJaxon    0

All the sites I play on are regulated. This thread is about PokerStars and not a shady site like Lock Poker. I am definitely not concerned about PokerStars or PokerStars.fr (where the above hand was from).

There is far better chance live play is rigged with decks potentially being cut funny or dealers colluding with players. If people think PokerStars is rigged, they should just not play since they aren't focusing on getting better and apparently not enjoying the game as a recreational player either.

If you wanted to talk about unregulated sites that service the US like Bovada, there is another thread for that.

 
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wackyJaxon    0

the Net Neutrality is coming to america the internet will be treated as a public utility things will be changing for all sites that do business on the net in the usa

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I have no argument (and no knowledge) about the legitimacy of sites servicing the US (outside the regulated sites in NJ and Nevada). I personally don't put money on any of those sites, since I have alternatives.

I have lived outside the US for a bit now, so it is easy for me to find regulated alternatives on sites who are publicly owned and traded.

PokerStars isn't in the US, so don't think we are talking about the same thing here.

 
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StrugLife    10

If you think about it, why would they rig it? They already make soo much money, why would they even risk it? Ontop of that, how the fuck could they keep it secret for so long? Someone would certainly blackmail them, or it would leak out somewhere

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Alcapoccia    10

Idea to test the PokerStars shuffle

Maybe the only way to show that the shuffle is random is to compare the frequency of the cards/ hands dealt during a game vs. the theoretical probabilities. The problem is that not always there is the final showdown after the river and, even when there is, that rarely involves all the players at the table. A possible solution might be that a person takes part in heads-up against a partner and both record all the hands from the beginning to the end, possibly using the hands history function of PokerStars software itself. This way you can easily know all the hands of all the players during the whole game. Obviously, if the same pair of people subscribe the same heads-up very frequently, it should be easy for the software to spot a possible collusion. However, I don’t think that you need to repeat the test many times as long as the number of hands played is statistically high. Let me know your thoughts about that or any other idea about this topic.

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monkey123456    10

Here is how I check a site for random cards record the number of face cards on every flop the hand does not have to play all the way out if they are flopping action flops you will see this right away I have busted a number of sites that use action flops this is easy to do.I once recorded 25 aces flopped in in 12 hands.

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Cooker    0

Here is how I check a site for random cards record the number of face cards on every flop the hand does not have to play all the way out if they are flopping action flops you will see this right away I have busted a number of sites that use action flops this is easy to do.I once recorded 25 aces flopped in in 12 hands.

your method is fucking retarded.

holy fuck at this thread. are statistics really that hard to comprehend? 12 fucking hands?!?!?!?!? kill yourself.

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Chazfury    10

For those conducting this research , I commend you for being truth seekers, regardless of it being true or not. You are doing something.

For those who are saying it is not rigged, how are you backing up your claims? How do you know it isn't?

How many of you have ever cashed out? If so, what was the largest amount? 5k? 10k? More or less?

If you are making money, why are you even commenting on this thread? How did you come across this thread?

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Cooker    0

For those conducting this research , I commend you for being truth seekers, regardless of it being true or not. You are doing something.
conducting research? would taking a shit be considered a biology project? calling these retarded theories conducting research is beyond a stretch.

For those who are saying it is not rigged, how are you backing up your claims? How do you know it isn't?
statistics. most winning players keep a database of the hands they have played over large sample sizes of millions of hands. there are also websites that datamine hand histories and compile enormous databases. there are also 3rd party audits which test the RNG

How many of you have ever cashed out? If so, what was the largest amount? 5k? 10k? More or less?
omg. ever cashed out? even players who lose at the game go on a heater and cash out sometimes. this question is stupid. it comes off as if you are implying nobody is cashing out or that cashing out is a myth or whatever.

If you are making money, why are you even commenting on this thread? How did you come across this thread?
it's mildly entertaining and it is important to know how the worst poker players think about poker.
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null_eins    10

All those arguments that come up against or for possible "riggedness" ar nothing but this: Opinions. But proof would be something very different.

I remember all the threads during the Absolut Poker scandal, and those high-stakes-regs all datamined a lot of hands. Finally they came up with some numbers - the rigged accounts ran over ten (!) standard-deviations better than they should, which is, at least mathematically, almost impossible. But was that "evidence" for the superuser account, without any doubt, like "forensic evidence"? No.

The forensic evidence was found when they reviewed the hh-files the site had sent them. Because in that text were ALL holecards listed, and such kind of document shouldn't even exist. Even the site itself is not allowed to see peoples holecards.

That was finally the missing piece of juristical evidence.

Until Stars starts to send people stuff like this we either have to trust them or analyse our databases, to see if we find any signs of riggedness. And no, a guy hitting his two-outer ten times in a row is not such a sign.

I take the easy approach with my database and look at two statistics: Average allin-equity %, and Races won %. Over the last 500.000 hands I see no differences greater than one standard deviation, and that's enough for me to say "I don't think Stars is rigged".

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Johnny B Bad    10

So, where you at buddy? 6th of may 2014 then no news? How's your research going? I'm willing to send you hands history and stuff if you want. I'm tired of this rigged BS. Check this one, 60$ spin n go. You'd throw 60$ on a K-2? Well this guy did.

*********** # 10 **************

PokerStars Hand #131100734493: Tournament #1153143425, $57+$3 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2015/02/25 3:31:37 ET

Table '1153143425 1' 3-max Seat #2 is the button

Seat 1: James BeBois (564 in chips)*

Seat 2: mahdi82 (380 in chips)*

Seat 3: ToDaFelt (556 in chips)*

ToDaFelt: posts small blind 10

James BeBois: posts big blind 20

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to James BeBois [Ac As]

mahdi82: calls 20

ToDaFelt: raises 536 to 556 and is all-in

James BeBois: raises 8 to 564 and is all-in

mahdi82: folds*

Uncalled bet (8) returned to James BeBois

*** FLOP *** [8d 7h 5c]

*** TURN *** [8d 7h 5c] [4d]

*** RIVER *** [8d 7h 5c 4d] [7d]

*** SHOW DOWN ***

ToDaFelt: shows [2d Kd] (a flush, King high)

James BeBois: shows [Ac As] (two pair, Aces and Sevens)

ToDaFelt collected 1132 from pot

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot 1132 | Rake 0*

Board [8d 7h 5c 4d 7d]

Seat 1: James BeBois (big blind) showed [Ac As] and lost with two pair, Aces and Sevens

Seat 2: mahdi82 (button) folded before Flop

Seat 3: ToDaFelt (small blind) showed [2d Kd] and won (1132) with a flush, King high

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qume    10

happens every single time, here seonds ago ..

Dealt to This.Qume [Jh Jc]

kostya198706: raises 420 to 470 and is all-in

slar013: folds

aleksei298: folds

fetis_bad: folds

olga5566: calls 395 and is all-in

This.Qume: calls 420 and is all-in

*** FLOP *** [5s 2h Ad]

*** TURN *** [5s 2h Ad] [7d]

*** RIVER *** [5s 2h Ad 7d] [3s]

*** SHOW DOWN ***

This.Qume: shows [Jh Jc] (a pair of Jacks)

kostya198706: shows [4c 4s] (a straight, Ace to Five)

kostya198706 collected 100 from side pot

olga5566: shows [Jd As] (a pair of Aces)

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hhyfestival    10

Hi all,

 

I think it's rigged too. I had a few very bad beats yesterday, so I finally did an online search and found this post. I spend $200 USD tonight to try to change my betting patterns regarding what I read on this post. I had been playing in Casino quite often for years and years, but playing online is just much easier. That’s why I finally switched and play it full time (pretty much daily) on poker stars. I am not one of those people couldn’t take a few bad beats. I lost a lot of money play live poker (won big in the past too), so I knew how these things go.

 

I was only betting big or went all in when I had a set and above (for tonight). The main purpose for me tonight was not winning money, but looked around for strange behavior, strange betting patterns, especially strange players (who play on multi-tables). $200 USD for low end tables to see should I stick for online or go back to play live. That’s totally worthy for me for sure.

 

After I read this post, I only played/bet with strange players tonight (and only FOCUS on them). ALL OF THEM are playing multi-tables (most were from Russia or Eastern Europe).

 

I even sacrificed quite a few chips to only play small cards VS strong hands with big raised before the flops. I also tried to go all in when I have set and above right after the flops. Most of them indeed need two strong cards to even make a set to compare. It was like they knew the cards already. However, every single time you went all in. They JUST got whatever two cards they want. For me tonight, it's more than 80%. If I didn’t go all in, its just like normal games you played at Casino. However, once when you went all in. They just got whatever they want pretty much every single time.

I didn’t play that many hands tonight, but 10 plus hands for a night. Strong hands VS strong hands (at least a set or above) and you lost every time (all of them in the reviver). If that wasn’t because I am really really bad luck tonight. That pretty much means this site is really rigged for sure. Things like this really doesn’t happen in live poker at Casino that often.

 

Furthermore, few people will go all in that many times with 2/4, 3/8, 2/6 kind of cards. When the flops already showed you AAK that kind of strong hands. The Russian dude even hit 6666 with you have AK full house. If it's only happened once or twice a night. I am very ok with it. However, it happened pretty much all night and every hand when you went all in (with the same players). That does make you a bit suspicious for sure.

 

I won money from poker stars before, but every single time when you had stronger hands and tried to make stronger moves. You lost every single time pretty much like what happened above tonight.

 

Before I read this post, I never really thought about whether this site is rigged or not. Once again, I am not one of those people who can’t take bad beats. I am quite ok with it really. However, when you play live poker in Casino. Sometimes you won and sometimes you lost. However, for Poker Stars it was really like when you make smaller moves you won a bit, and you make stronger moves you lost at the river pretty much all the time. Especially all at the river with very strange cards.

 

I had AK tonight and the other player only had 26. The flop was AK10. I went all in and 2 x 6 hit right away. The final hand I had before I lost the last bit of my money was AK space, flop all three cards were space. I almost had the nut right away, and I went all in. The person only had 76 and there were a 6 on the flop (made him one pair). Once again, 2 more 6 coming in right away!!! The funny thing was that I was reading rest of this post at the same time while I played that hand.

God! Once again, maybe I am just that bad luck in these few days (especially with 6s lol). Otherwise too many of these strange hands with the same few players. That’s really does make you suspicious a bit for sure. Furthermore, they usually took the money and left the table, after they won your big hands. I need to check all tables to find them again. However, I watched the same players played with others too. The same thing happened too, especially when others made strong moves.

 

After tonight!! I think I should just stay with Casino live poker from this day forwards. Hehehhehehe… Is 888 any better or all online poker sites are pretty much the same? I only played Pokerstars before, can anyone advise me please? Did anyone win big here from PokerStars? I played both tournaments and cash table on Pokerstars. I found cash tables over there are really strange. Furthermore, you can tell who are players like us and who are those strange ones. Those strange ones, it was like they can see the cards that were going to hit or something. It was really out of Casino live poker’s math odd really, especially when everyone bet big.

 

Thank you for post this post mate. If I didn’t read this, I would never question what happened too.

 

I can’t say they are rigged for sure, maybe I am just that bad luck in these few days. However, anyone had the same experiences like this in the past from there? I counted; it happened to me 11 times tonight (all pretty strong hands, AAA, A with K full house, A flash, 6 fullhouse lost to 10 full house when you went all in the flop and lost at the river)

 

Once again, I wasn’t trying to win any money tonight and just focus on strange players and strange betting patterns. I even changed my personal betting patterns to do an experiment about this (after I read this article). Even you already knew what cards the other people were going to have. It was like lose money to find out. 10/10 all in and they hit all cards they wanted.

 

That’s an amazing odd for sure, no one missed really (happened in ONE NIGHT, most importantly ALL OF THEM I lost to played multi-tables). Maybe I am just that bad luck really.

 

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