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Hi I think I make this thread for discussion because a lot of players are being "sacked" or loosely let go albeit at the hands of the poker sites ,

now cmon , surely these players are benificial in some capacity at branding the product ie selling the pokerstars brand image "Marcel luske" who in my opinion epitimises the growing number of likeable characters out there in touch with all things poker...I mean cmon pokerstars whats going on?

I just think they let Marcel win a big event at the weekend then drop the b00m on him by sacking him the very next week.. kinda sucks in my opinion!!!

anyone have any comments on the recent sackings by the corporate companys just in business to make money it seems or maybe they cannot afford to pay these people any longer who knows, but lets have a clear explanation because these players/people have all done exceptional in both live events and online poker and are great for the game as a whole.

It angers me when corporate management does this , my family went through hell during the recession back in the day so I know all about cutting costs and waivering players lives to the wastebucket down below.

I just dont feel happy about all of it thats that!! regards aaron

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feels like pokerstars knows exactly whos in charge and they are think that by controlling the situations they help people.!

I cannot understand why they sack both Marcel luske and wsop legend winner Joe cada, not forgetting the unreal run by Marcel luske in reaching 10th place in the wsop years beforehand, it takes guts to do what he did back in the day like that on the bubble of the biggest ever poker tournament on the planet, ... I think they"pokerstars.com" are grossly negligent here for whatever reasons.

and let them reply with thier usual private please dont talk rule or have someone tell me sorry this was a buisness decision bullcrapp answer........had enough of those kind of answers at skypker with a bunch of weirdos who thought they know better, everyone seems to be such an expert and have a opinion that only "they can have" and holds true .

cmon pokerstars why sack these nice people who were branding your super poker product? or has the money gone into investing in those other two clowns joe stapleton and james hartigan

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Poker is in a complete different state than a few years ago.. 'Team Pros' aren't worth nearly as much as in the past and a lot of are being axed for that reason.. But the main reason in my opinion you are seeing this is the laws being put in set in the different countries.

Unless you are a Negreanu or Boeree or someone that is very well known and is very marketable you are not worth what you were when the industry was booming.

I know you just want to bash pokerstars so not sure why I give my two cents but here it is.

BTW- Joe Cada about being axed; I asked for 100% rakeback and stars said no

Quite simple, these players are on contract, once their contract is up you either renew or you don't...

The only players that should be sponsored now are the players that bring people to the site from outside of the poker world. Poker players are already playing on Pokerstars, so people like Shane Warne or a Rafael Nadal are really what sites are after now.

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thrad title changed i see then ? thanks pocketfives mods.....xxx

Anyway back to what concerns me ,and your wrong its not pokerstars, its not the money pokerstars has or doesnt have, its not what you think I say it is,

I am out to help and protect players and people in my own opinion and right mind. put it another way what other pros have done a better job than the three thats just been let go of? with the exception of mr run good all the time daniel negranue who in my opinion isnt that great of a player but makes up for it with his mouth and enthusiasm ?

Lets put it another way , You think Liv boaree is better suited than marcel luske ? I think she is a money grabber working at the means of her disposal and not for her knowledge ,its all about the money with her after she won everything a few years ago and also took a lot of money from UB along with annie duck and phil the pill helmuth..these pros?

As much as I admire the players including all but 1 named above which I wont disclose then fine, however I think these sites are not looking forward to regulation and meeting paying off stupid governent overpriced taxes and rentals.

TOO MANY OVERHEADS AND NOT ENOUGH INCOME..........I am a trader online and in my buisness and I did this at college so I have the degree , is that its all about income and expenditure.

now beat back off to canada or wherever you come from and go hug that big bear or find out where sasquatch lives and hugg him...

I feel for the pros on the team because marcel and joe cada are far better ambassadors for the site in my opinion over the others they have...I stand up for marcel luske because I like him even though he is from holland ,eek not really liked holland players very much not online anyway , but marcel is such a likable characrter on and off the tables ...unlike others

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Also, how much traffic has pokerstars lost since black friday? How could anyone expect to pay out the same amount of dollars to pros when they are taking in a ton less.

and this statement says it all really because ,your making an expected judgement based on past errors all of which had no effect on the site or on the players ,except what got the governments all around the world to chime in and say they want to tax the poker economy worldwide state by state town by town city by city.....yer figures!!!

Let me ask you cos generally speaking in you are canadian, are you part of some MOGUDISHU tribal gang? some tribe who owns Kwanake gaming reserves? albeit to thier own private advantage without any such canadian government involvement? if so then please tread lightly when speaking to me .

thanks for the knowledge though , the united kingdom has always been on the very top of its game here and regulation and fairness of all its gaming sites players /representatives and host global networking sites.

cheers

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if the world wants regulation lets fing give it to them starting 1st of october guys and pokerstars!! 1ST OCTOBER.

GET READY FOR THE REGULATION "PAY MORE TAX PAY MORE FEES TO THE GOVERNMENT WOOOT!"

Greedy ,unassured and self centred towards making some kind of run of the mill taxable income on poker players ..HAHAH

way to go pokerstars ........... just shut it all down ffs , they soon stop people from gambling and putting people on the street out of casinos .....then the economy shuts down. yeyyyyyyyyy wtg

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If the benefits of paying Team Pros (additional traffic/marketing that eventually drives additional rake) doesn't outweigh the costs (sponsoring for events, payments, etc), it makes perfect sense for Stars to let them go.

Team Pros largely perform a marketing role for Stars from my point of view. If they aren't returning enough benefits, it's time to let them go and re-invest in other forms of marketing to attract new players. I have no problem with these guys being let go and Stars spending money on different people/players or other avenues altogether as they attempt to bring new people to the game.

Also, it's not like these poor pros got axed by the sites. They were and still are professional poker players. If they can't support themselves from playing poker without money from Stars...then quite simply they shouldn't be Team Pros anyway.

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Poker is in a complete different state than a few years ago.. 'Team Pros' aren't worth nearly as much as in the past and a lot of are being axed for that reason.. But the main reason in my opinion you are seeing this is the laws being put in set in the different countries.

Unless you are a Negreanu or Boeree or someone that is very well known and is very marketable you are not worth what you were when the industry was booming.

I know you just want to bash pokerstars so not sure why I give my two cents but here it is.

BTW- Joe Cada about being axed; I asked for 100% rakeback and stars said no

Quite simple, these players are on contract, once their contract is up you either renew or you don't...

The only players that should be sponsored now are the players that bring people to the site from outside of the poker world. Poker players are already playing on Pokerstars, so people like Shane Warne or a Rafael Nadal are really what sites are after now.

quote " The only players that should be sponsored now are the players that bring people to the site from outside of the poker world. Poker players are already playing on Pokerstars, so people like Shane Warne or a Rafael Nadal are really what sites are after now" END quote ....

above is all nonsense , try watching television my freind, they never subdued me into playing online poker at all.

I never even bothered to play the game until I started using other playable games on my old desktop many years ago , television never attracts me but its advertising campaigns are paramount to attracting all if not 85% of the current poker market , and even then you have a regular player database of over 2000 seasoned players who are all bankrolled and who are all rich by comparison and have won majors etc....

Do your homework mate ,

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and this statement says it all really because ,your making an expected judgement based on past errors all of which had no effect on the site or on the players ,except what got the governments all around the world to chime in and say they want to tax the poker economy worldwide state by state town by town city by city.....yer figures!!!

cheers

Lol this! Every company in the world has to base their expenses on how much money they bring in... Can't give out charity just because you and a couple other guys idolize someone. And I already posted why Joe Cada left. Look up some facts and stop spewing around retarded non-sense

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i understand that but just because they have to cut budget csts due to next months fees incorporated into hat looks like a money steal by these governments trying to cash in on it all , why should the players suffer ? why why why?

The truth of it is because pokerstars lacks bolloks and just sacks people even when they have done a good enough job especially in both the newer cases of marcel and joe cada.....it is ridiculous.

so cut their spending ratio out ,cut their online montlhy quota ,but dont sack the players ffs.

I dont know maybe im being stupid or too hard , but seriously I know what its like to be out of work and having to always scrape by and scrimp and save every last penny ...yeh thats how i feel

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I dont see any MOGUDISHU tribe leading OUR software brands. ohh I forgot , it was absolute poker that led the way for the reserve of kwanake to be caught up in it all. they were not regulated /investigated by canadian government and in fact my money is still missing to this very day so hy dont u just do one.

Simply put ,why did Joe norton own a computer anti-fraud detection company? why did he own turtle enterprises? what is TURTLE ENTERPRISES?...........just simply put

You people dont even realise the very nature of computer theft or illegally spying on players computers do you. nope didnt think so.

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That is so NOT THE POINT ! You have next to no understanding at all.

The brand makes the player . not the the other way aroudn you ing idiot ... look at the other fish fks in the world who have all used global recognisable brand named image logos to help them along.

Its not the anyway thats the issue , the issue is that pokerstars are doing the wrong thing ,if they sack one or two sack the lot.

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AND FROM THAT COMES THIS EXTRACT :

“It was a change in strategy due to a budget reduction. Even though the region is growing well, countries like Argentina or Mexico can’t support two Team Pros,” he said. “It’s something difficult to take advantage of since we don’t have live events in either of the two countries. Justifying those investments becomes very difficult.”

 

Carreno didn’t rule out sponsoring new pros, however, and suggested that the company was simply looking to bring in fresh faces. “There has to be a generational change,” he said. “New figures arrive, new talents. I’ve got some players in mind I’d like to hire, but I can’t say too much about it right now.”

So clearly they are cutting back period on sponsered pros / due to budget cuts but not only that they are saying Marcel luske is too old ? thats basically what it amounts too and pokerstars want to bring in fresh faces? Or does pokerstars think that will increase demand in attracting new investable players? ....hmmmm

What we do know is that pokerstars is on the isle of man , has representatives all over the world but have too many ? so they are cutting back on resources so they just cut out the deficit between it all. Great so employ them for one year like football players on some contract and then 1 year later fire them out of a job if they are not up to scratch or pulling in the money for the site. wouldnt you feel a little OWNED by the corporate world? I couldnt even believe what effect this has on a persons mental state.

anyway rant over , game on and good luck to all those unemployed /employed /just floating along etc

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They never even gave REAL reasons as to Marcel luske departure, and they cannot say his influence hasnt been a large success because he is a great player along with Joe cada, why have these individuals been A listed for the chop when there is so many other sponsered players that are much much worse by comparision.? I dont get it at all. a lot of the truth is either fabricated or misplaced in any case no matter what pokerstars tell us.

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LOL

BUT , did you see him when he finished 10th in the wsop main event ? he looked really shook up and upset when he bubbled the final table.

He is a class character and pokerstars made a mistake in letting him go off the roster. shame on the corporate world thinking of only the money,

I should know what its like I won a single solitary tournament on stars for $6.300 dollars , went to highstakes plo table and then lost $5000 on one hand .

Anyway This thread isnt about me or my poker losses or my misfortune on these stupid money making poker ponzee pyramid schemes....

best of luck.....off to the casino now

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sry i know if mikes watching then im just having a go at the site not the player, I think they go about things in the wrong direction half the time spending uselless amounts of money on new players , free satchel bags free coats and a Daniel negranue read em hold em book , they gave this all to me when i turned up in london for 1 single side event ept...lol

If they were to cut down on being so generous to people that have absolutely no input or nothing to do with the company they wouldnt have to make so called budget cuts in areas such as to what speaks..

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anyone else feeling they wanna add something to the discussion.?

dont see any pokerstars reps answering anything in this thread or even anywhere. guess what I dont need pokerstars , I have about as much need for them as I do for that dump that left my arse in in the toilet moments ago, .

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