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Rusty after over 5 months away from MTT's. Thoughts on these 5 hands most welcome, not too happy with any of them tbh.

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FlopDeck    10


$800/$1,600 Blinds No Limit Holdem - *** 12 02 2019 19:36:04
Tournament #134593923 $3.50 + $0.50 - Table #14 8 Max (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: FlopDdeck ( $113,600 )
Seat 2: IceIceWatson ( $59,354 )
Seat 3: Thenutz78 ( $41,110 )
Seat 5: BokIsaTamisA ( $95,613 )
Seat 6: icalluanyway ( $117,384 )
Seat 7: jonwik93 ( $78,794 )
Seat 8: Bazarnik ( $18,799 )
Seat 10: Dazz077 ( $29,600 )
BokIsaTamisA posts ante [$200]
IceIceWatson posts ante [$200]
Bazarnik posts ante [$200]
icalluanyway posts ante [$200]
FlopDdeck posts ante [$200]
jonwik93 posts ante [$200]
Dazz077 posts ante [$200]
Thenutz78 posts ante [$200]
icalluanyway posts small blind [$800]
jonwik93 posts big blind [$1,600]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to FlopDdeck [ Ad, Td ]
Bazarnik folds
Dazz077 folds
FlopDdeck raises [$3,200]
IceIceWatson folds
Thenutz78 folds
BokIsaTamisA folds
icalluanyway calls [$2,400]
jonwik93 folds
** Dealing flop ** [ Kh, 4d, Js ]
icalluanyway checks
FlopDdeck checks
** Dealing turn ** [ Qc ]
icalluanyway bets [$1,600]
FlopDdeck raises [$4,800]
icalluanyway calls [$3,200]
** Dealing river ** [ 9h ]
icalluanyway checks
FlopDdeck bets [$18,999]
icalluanyway folds
** Summary **
FlopDdeck did not show his hand
FlopDdeck collected [ $19,200 ]
 

Wonky Turn / River sizing's?

50h sample VPIP:40 PFR:23 3B:0 AF:8

In hindsight perhaps 6k on turn and 1/3 or so river bet may have brought more value vs weaker end of villains range... ?

 

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Tournament #134599415 $5 + $0.50 - Table #8 9 Max (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: FlopDdeck ( $109,187 )
Seat 2: 4IKENCHIK ( $29,920 )
Seat 3: readliketwig ( $29,880 )
Seat 4: mikedegr ( $40,885 )
Seat 5: marcio1284 ( $36,375 )
Seat 6: GrinderJPL01 ( $33,493 )
Seat 7: AceHighJohnT ( $28,420 )
Seat 9: mlundy9 ( $30,000 )
Seat 10: 0m3n1212 ( $22,525 )
0m3n1212 posts ante [$40]
mikedegr posts ante [$40]
FlopDdeck posts ante [$40]
marcio1284 posts ante [$40]
GrinderJPL01 posts ante [$40]
AceHighJohnT posts ante [$40]
readliketwig posts ante [$40]
4IKENCHIK posts ante [$40]
mlundy9 posts ante [$40]
FlopDdeck posts small blind [$150]
4IKENCHIK posts big blind [$300]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to FlopDdeck [ Ad, 7d ]
readliketwig folds
mikedegr folds
marcio1284 folds
GrinderJPL01 folds
AceHighJohnT folds
mlundy9 folds
0m3n1212 raises [$600]
FlopDdeck raises [$1,827]
4IKENCHIK folds
0m3n1212 calls [$1,377]
** Dealing flop ** [ 4s, Jd, 8h ]
FlopDdeck bets [$1,800]
0m3n1212 calls [$1,800]
** Dealing turn ** [ 9c ]
FlopDdeck checks
0m3n1212 checks
** Dealing river ** [ Ks ]
FlopDdeck bets [$6,577]
0m3n1212 calls [$6,577]
** Summary **
FlopDdeck shows [ Ad, 7d ]
0m3n1212 shows [ 9d, Qh ]
0m3n1212 collected [ $21,368 ]

 

Over-bet river better?

14h sample 0 reads

Turn seems pretty bad for my range and pretty okay at least for villain but after check-check turn pot sized bet or over-bet on river better?

 

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Tournament #134599415 $5 + $0.50 - Table #8 9 Max (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: FlopDdeck ( $98,463 )
Seat 2: 4IKENCHIK ( $30,950 )
Seat 3: readliketwig ( $34,337 )
Seat 4: mikedegr ( $33,240 )
Seat 5: marcio1284 ( $38,680 )
Seat 6: GrinderJPL01 ( $28,096 )
Seat 7: AceHighJohnT ( $29,720 )
Seat 9: mlundy9 ( $29,030 )
Seat 10: 0m3n1212 ( $38,169 )
0m3n1212 posts ante [$50]
mikedegr posts ante [$50]
FlopDdeck posts ante [$50]
marcio1284 posts ante [$50]
GrinderJPL01 posts ante [$50]
AceHighJohnT posts ante [$50]
readliketwig posts ante [$50]
4IKENCHIK posts ante [$50]
mlundy9 posts ante [$50]
0m3n1212 posts small blind [$200]
FlopDdeck posts big blind [$400]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to FlopDdeck [ 9s, Kc ]
4IKENCHIK folds
readliketwig folds
mikedegr calls [$400]
marcio1284 folds
GrinderJPL01 folds
AceHighJohnT calls [$400]
mlundy9 folds
0m3n1212 calls [$200]
FlopDdeck checks
** Dealing flop ** [ Td, Ts, Kd ]
0m3n1212 checks
FlopDdeck bets [$725]
mikedegr calls [$725]
AceHighJohnT folds
0m3n1212 folds
** Dealing turn ** [ 3c ]
FlopDdeck bets [$1,200]
mikedegr calls [$1,200]
** Dealing river ** [ 2d ]
FlopDdeck checks
mikedegr bets [$2,950]
FlopDdeck folds
** Summary **
mikedegr did not show his hand
mikedegr collected [ $5,900 ]
 

Hate this turn sizing..

26h sample VPIP:38 PFR:8 3B:0 AF:1 (not much but it's something)

Seems standard enough check-fold on the river but should I have sized up to like 75%+ on turn to blow off draws / fold out weak FD's / Rep Tx?

 

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Tournament #134599415 $5 + $0.50 - Table #8 9 Max (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: FlopDdeck ( $98,782 )
Seat 2: 4IKENCHIK ( $28,791 )
Seat 3: readliketwig ( $19,268 )
Seat 4: mikedegr ( $61,792 )
Seat 5: marcio1284 ( $35,653 )
Seat 6: GrinderJPL01 ( $31,240 )
Seat 7: AceHighJohnT ( $62,761 )
Seat 9: mlundy9 ( $33,456 )
Seat 10: FoooFighter ( $26,673 )
mikedegr posts ante [$100]
FlopDdeck posts ante [$100]
marcio1284 posts ante [$100]
GrinderJPL01 posts ante [$100]
AceHighJohnT posts ante [$100]
readliketwig posts ante [$100]
4IKENCHIK posts ante [$100]
mlundy9 posts ante [$100]
FoooFighter posts ante [$100]
GrinderJPL01 posts small blind [$400]
AceHighJohnT posts big blind [$800]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to FlopDdeck [ Kc, Kh ]
mlundy9 folds
FoooFighter folds
FlopDdeck raises [$1,600]
4IKENCHIK folds
readliketwig folds
mikedegr folds
marcio1284 folds
GrinderJPL01 calls [$1,200]
AceHighJohnT folds
** Dealing flop ** [ 4d, As, 6d ]
GrinderJPL01 checks
FlopDdeck bets [$1,877]
GrinderJPL01 calls [$1,877]
** Dealing turn ** [ Th ]
GrinderJPL01 checks
FlopDdeck checks
** Dealing river ** [ 2s ]
GrinderJPL01 bets [$8,654]
FlopDdeck folds
** Summary **
GrinderJPL01 did not show his hand
GrinderJPL01 collected [ $8,654 ]

 

Break from poker has lead me to be confused by this hand, help appreciated

54h sample VPIP:26 PFR:15 3B:11 AF:1

Checked back turn to evaluate river and assess sizing if villain lead. PSB blew me off but maybe this suggests more bluffs? Ax (weaker) set of 4's / 6's / T's possible and maybe 53s once in a blue moon. Beat missed FD's and that's it? Sooooooooo rusty 😞

 

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Tournament #134607488 $2.50 + $0.50 - Table #4 9 Max (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: Swarley88 ( $51,571 )
Seat 2: fcukyoudad ( $34,137 )
Seat 3: Hottubmikey ( $37,475 )
Seat 4: FlopDdeck ( $46,785 )
Seat 5: rocketlamp ( $43,422 )
Seat 6: PopicuSTAR ( $69,435 )
Seat 9: Mommmyathome ( $33,450 )
Seat 10: kyleelyk92 ( $35,793 )
fcukyoudad posts ante [$100]
Swarley88 posts ante [$100]
PopicuSTAR posts ante [$100]
rocketlamp posts ante [$100]
kyleelyk92 posts ante [$100]
Hottubmikey posts ante [$100]
FlopDdeck posts ante [$100]
Mommmyathome posts ante [$100]
fcukyoudad posts small blind [$400]
Hottubmikey posts big blind [$800]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to FlopDdeck [ Ac, As ]
FlopDdeck raises [$1,600]
rocketlamp folds
PopicuSTAR folds
Mommmyathome folds
kyleelyk92 folds
Swarley88 folds
fcukyoudad folds
Hottubmikey calls [$800]
** Dealing flop ** [ Qh, Qc, 9d ]
Hottubmikey checks
FlopDdeck bets [$1,177]
Hottubmikey calls [$1,177]
** Dealing turn ** [ Kh ]
Hottubmikey checks
FlopDdeck checks
** Dealing river ** [ 5h ]
Hottubmikey bets [$6,754]
FlopDdeck calls [$6,754]
** Summary **
Hottubmikey shows [ Qd, 5c ]
FlopDdeck mucks [ Ac, As ]
Hottubmikey collected [ $20,262 ]

 

This seems very obvious but posting anyway. Clear fold right? What bluffs does villain have with a PSB on this river? 

No sample no reads whatsoever. 

 

Expecting huge errors in my thinking after 5 months away. Been making some okay runs but not many cashes at all. Lost some huge flips but that's the way it goes.. feel I would have made 2 FT's if playing 100% sharp. Have set out an improved study / play / work schedule so looking to get back up to speed asap and continue improving.

 

Thanks in advance,

Flop.
 

 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 

 

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carlmellor    10

Hand 1
http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/view.php/id/9461829

 

Would c bet 3K

 

As Played?

 

Think our flop raise to 3x over 1x donk is fine, we want to get some chips in there with the nuts, but we don't want to be scaring  him away.

 

River - When villain X's? Our sizing for value is fine, but given that he could have some Tx (KT/QT/JT), I wouldn't be against polar jamming in this spot too sometimes.  Not only does it look bluffy, but if our oppenent is on thinking level, he could level himself into calling us as our jam  shouldn't make too much 'sense'.

 

Hand 2
http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/view.php/id/9461833

 

(We ran into a fish, but it's much better to learn from these spots treating this how we'd play against the population. So let's assume our villain could be either good or bad, but we just don't know pre flop).

 

Not a big fan of c betting A7s oop here.  It flops terribly, we could/should be folding to any 4bet, possible reverse domination issues etc. We could needlessly spunk off >20% of our massive 360x stack. I'd even flat AJs here.

 

I'd XC this flop to see if we could open up our backdoors, (9d would obviously be a sweet turn card).

Turn would be 100% XF.  (We open up GS, but it could also be bad if we hit).

 

Not going to comment too much on As Played? Anyone with half a brain should be folding when you (correctly) 'value' bet the rivered King.

 

Hand 3
http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/view.php/id/9461839

 

We've got 2 limpers, I'm not a big fan of trying to exploit them from oop with a hand as poor as K9o, especially when limpers seldom fold regardless of our sizing, so X'ing our BB here looks absolutely fine.

 

Don't like donking multi way paired board flops, very few limperss are folding for quarter pot here.  On the plus side, donking so small does let us easily get away to any flop aggro.

 

We're sort of freerolling here (only our BB), so any 'betting for protection/info' shouldn't be too much of a priority for us.  I'd be more 'wary' about someone having Tx than worrying about how wet this board is.

I'd therefore be more in XC mode for the remainder of the hand, (keeps Tx in our range too, certainly on the flop).  Only a ridiculous sized river bet would get me to fold or possibly if any 'value' bet felt genuine.

(Even if we get to the river paying off 'value' we shouldn't be losing any more than about 10x from our massive 240x stack, so only about 4%-5%, and I'd treat is more as a cooler. And don't forget, we will win our fair share of these spots too when it goes to showdown).  

 

Moral of story is don't go broke on paired boards with TP WK sort of thing.

 

As Played?

 

Turn sizing for quater pot is fine.

 

River XF?

 

Yes the flush gets there, but QJo types miss. 'Some' weaker Kx and 'possible' lesser PP's....

 

There's probably 'enough' bluffs in a limping range to merit us XC'ing the 7.5x 'occasionally'.

 

Alternative line would be to triple barrel for only 5x (obviously folding to any aggro), but I'm sort of nit picking now.

 

Hand 4
http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/view.php/id/9461860

 

Think it's pretty standard.

 

Like our small C bet sizing on the flop (I'd even go exactly 2x)

 

Think our turn X is fine, we've all played enough of these spots to realise that sticky villains usually have way more Ax (or better) than just 'possible' flush draws.

 

Love the river fold, we've contributed 4x to the pot, could we be beat? Yes, (don't get paranoid) next hand..........

 

Hand 5
http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/view.php/id/9461865

 

Really like our flop sizing.

Turn X was interesting, (think we'd usually barrel again for about 2.5x to see what he does).

 

Don't beat yourself up about the river call.

 

We started the hand with 58x and lost only 12x.

 

Very few people if any, (myself included), could find a river fold here.

 

Cooler.

 

Good Luck as always.

 

Carl.

 

(**Really don't like what P5's have done with the re-design of this site).  Was only by chance that I seen your batch of 5 questions together that I decided to answer.  Very little on this site nowadays inspires me to contribute, which is sort of sad, pretty sure it must be the same for a lot of others....

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FlopDeck    10

Thanks for the lengthy response Carl, I really appreciate the time you put into it. Kudos. 

 

Hand #1

Yes probably should have c-bet the flop with a GS and BDNFD + A may be enough to take the lead if we weren't there already. I basically checked-back here as I figured this flop to hit a good portion of a SB flat range and wanted to realize more equity but perhaps this was too sheepish. Thinking was to stay in the pot and pick up extra outs or better again the absolute nuts and then put the pressure on turn and river, thought even when I miss I can still rep a big hand like 2P or a strong set. Cloudy thinking in hindsight, should have gotten two streets here and just went for it on the river. Honestly did not even consider jamming, that's super interesting and I like it. 

 

Hand #2

This is the one I'm least happy with I think. 3b was light, reasoning was villain was basically destined to come along with much worse (correct to read as fish) and I felt confident in taking the pot down whether I hit or not. In my mind I was always going to barrel a river that could make my hand.. considering this was my plan, be it a good one or not, in your opinion would I have been better off with the old 3-barrel-bluff rather than clam up on the turn and fire river? Agreed, though, maybe should have cut my losses and gave in after 3b failed to get through and the flop brought nowt but backdoors. 

 

Hand #3

Much prefer your check-call line here to my lead-lead-check/fold and I agree I should have called, or at least know in future to mix in calls vs certain villains. As evident from the limp pre, villain wasn't too hot, and a good amount of weak Kx and draws have now whiffed or I have beat. Food for thought, thanks. 

 

Hand #4

Yes I thought so at the time also (pretty standard) but when I reviewed it after the fact I wondered would a weak villain be trying to take me off KK here by betting large with a missed FD or PP that didn't improve. Perhaps, but in-game I figured more likely Ax or two-pair. Out of interest, if I had Kd would things alter your decision on the river?

 

Hand #5

I found this hand really fun I must say, racked my out-of-the-loop brain a good deal! Although I made the decision very quickly, I had decided to check back any 8, 9, K and barrel everything else and if called again check back any river or fold to any meaty bet. when the K came I just figured I wasn't getting value from 9x anymore and the most likely draw got there so I shut it down. When the river completed the backdoor hearts I didn't like it at all without Ah but managed to coax myself into calling. I get the majority will call it off especially having checked back turn and disguised my AA well but I just fail to see what I beat here other than Kx or J8 and some combos of those rivered a flush. Villain has all straights and boats in range also. Like, all of them, even 55 that floated off flop / or check-called for value vs whiffed A high. Still struggling to come up with enough bluffs here to make the call yet still in-game I did it. If you're calling at a high clip in this spot, what do you put villain on? Surely villain is value betting the river vs disguised AA, so KJ, KT, K9 possible value bets we beat? Love these dodgy ones with AA 😉

 

 

Thanks again for the great responses, really appreciate it. I also agree with you on the alterations to the forum. It's a bit sh!t imo. Seems a lot of the regular posters from recent times have lowered their activity (myself included, only just back playing and reactivated my P5's profile) and there seems to be a hell of a lot of talk about cheating and all that jazz, which I'm sure you'll agree is important but massively overplayed by a lot of players.

 

I've been going through some of your previous posts and it seems clear to me you have a passion for the game and enjoy going over spots. I do too. Maybe if we get regular discussions and serious posts going on the regular we could coax some of the others to become more active and get something going here, even despite the poor format. I'm working the next 4 days straight at least so wont be playing too much but I'm going to go back over content from RYE / Upswing MTT courses and freshen up, also going to book some coaching in the near future. I'd like to go over any hands you've got stored away if you'd be up for posting. Failing that, I'll post another 5 or so some time in the coming days for folks to have a mull over. 

 

Thanks again,

Good luck in your games bud.

 

Flop.

 

 

 

 

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Hello, i m only responding for hand 1. Sorry for that but i dont have a lot of time for all the hands.

Well i aggree with carlmellor i would very often cbet flop 35-40%pot,  but as played on Turn, given both of your stacks, i would raise more than 4800 to about ~8000(4800 is ok i think if the opponent was 25bb-40bb stack). Now on the river i would go for half pot value. Especially when this guy with AF:8 is probably gonna raise a half-pot bet with a T-x in this board.

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FlopDeck    10

9 hours ago, _vns_ said:

Hello, i m only responding for hand 1. Sorry for that but i dont have a lot of time for all the hands.

Well i aggree with carlmellor i would very often cbet flop 35-40%pot,  but as played on Turn, given both of your stacks, i would raise more than 4800 to about ~8000(4800 is ok i think if the opponent was 25bb-40bb stack). Now on the river i would go for half pot value. Especially when this guy with AF:8 is probably gonna raise a half-pot bet with a T-x in this board.

No problem mate, thanks for responding. Yes I fudged my sizings quite badly in hand 1 I think. Should have got more value from villain. Out of interest, if we lead flop for 40% and whiff turn are you likely to barrel turn and river as a bluff? Just turn? Or clam up? 

 

Cheers, 

Flop. 

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5 hours ago, FlopDeck said:

No problem mate, thanks for responding. Yes I fudged my sizings quite badly in hand 1 I think. Should have got more value from villain. Out of interest, if we lead flop for 40% and whiff turn are you likely to barrel turn and river as a bluff? Just turn? Or clam up? 

 

Cheers, 

Flop. 

Well so many depends on board, but generally speaking i wouldnt like to 3 barrel bluffing cause we have a very healthy stack and he can definitely hurt us. On the other hand i would like to build also a bigger pot, if we hit and try to value river. For example i would slow down my aggression if a K,J,T appears but i would double barrel if we hit a flush draw. I believe beside that cbet flop, we should play for value. Cause of both of your stacks, comparing to the rest of the table, i think this hand should be analysed more like a low-stakes cash game hand, rather than a tournament situation. Sorry for my bad english while trying to explain my thoughts. Best of luck in your games 🙂

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FlopDeck    10

11 hours ago, _vns_ said:

Well so many depends on board, but generally speaking i wouldnt like to 3 barrel bluffing cause we have a very healthy stack and he can definitely hurt us. On the other hand i would like to build also a bigger pot, if we hit and try to value river. For example i would slow down my aggression if a K,J,T appears but i would double barrel if we hit a flush draw. I believe beside that cbet flop, we should play for value. Cause of both of your stacks, comparing to the rest of the table, i think this hand should be analysed more like a low-stakes cash game hand, rather than a tournament situation. Sorry for my bad english while trying to explain my thoughts. Best of luck in your games 🙂

Your English is fine, thanks again for the response. 

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