Jump to content


  • Posts

  • Joined

  • Last visited

 Content Type 







Local Walls


Everything posted by the_dean22

  1. Great idea, one of my students also takes lessons with Jared as well, and the difference of mental approach to the game is night and day. Would highly recommend checking out his book or enlisting in lessons with him.
  2. Oh, excuse me, it totally isn't, I think you're right! However, my whole post still applies, I do recognize kevmode as a long time poster though, and anyone who has been around p5s for a long time is someone I respect and would always reach out to. Gl with your stuff bud, like I said, can turn around at any minute!
  3. and this is why Gags' videos are some of the best out there (check them out on this site), an uncanny knack for being able to convey difficult concepts to everyone simply. Well said, especially the last paragraph for off the cuff odds in-game.
  4. Kevin, I think it's really cool (and a big step towards where you're trying to get) that you'd post this in the first place. I think EVERY poker player, myself included, goes through this mental struggle at some point in their careers. I've often told students that having a level head/positive outlook can even be more important at times than raw skill or ability (especially online). I think online poker, most notably MTTs, unfortunately is inherently a negative endeavor. I love poker and have been extremely fortunate, but still, the nature of MTTs has us losing well over 80% of sessions, not to mention the fact that some people literally aren't happy unless they win the tournament. This all coupled with what you mentioned, these insanely lofty goals that we all set for ourselves, it almost makes it impossible to reach them and be satisfied. Even when you win something big, many people just wanna win something even bigger, it's a crazy cycle, and very few jobs/games have these sort of emotional dynamics. Don't feel crazy, I think these emotions are totally normal in poker, it's just a question of how to deal with it. I think this varies from person to person, just up to you to figure out what helps get you centered (meditation, reading, weed, movies, going out etc). I wish I had a solid answer of how to cure the creeping negativity of MTTs, but it's different for us all (and I haven't really solved it myself either). I think eliminating complaining is the first thing to deal with, which may sound trivial, but I've known many poker players in my time, and while some are the most positive/best ppl I know, some are unbearably negative, and I don't think it's coincidence that the positive ppl somehow tend to run better later on (we could argue cause and effect in this case, but in general I think positive energy is a HUGE thing in poker and if your energy is negative, it'l be hard to succeed). Again, wish I had a better answer, but just wanted to let you know that I think we all go through this too and I understand. Just keep your head up and grinding and good things always turn up when you least expect it. On a side note, I wanna thank you for all the good work you put into poker. Can't imagine there being a more important twitter follow out there than @Kevmath. Thanks for all the hard work, you'll flip the script soon with a run good bink and the positivity will follow :) Grayson
  5. Tip and Donkiman, I totally agree, felt QQQ was going to be the brunt of his range, but I also became victim of taking an unorthodox line on my own end that should have me fairly underrepped. Bigblacktruc, in regards to the flop check back, I briefly stated this to Gags above, but I just felt that neither bet/calling or bet/folding was a great option on the flop, and added in the backdoor FD, i felt those things led me towards checking. I'm often a HUGE advocate of betting sticky flops, and often tell my students that it's impossible to gauge where ur at later in a hand if we don't bet the flop, however, just thinking of the hand conceptually…"if i bet, how do i fair against a check/shove…" and realizing that I'm too strong to bet/fold but not strong enough to bet/call on that board, sort of lends me towards checking instead of betting.
  6. Exterminate, I agree with you on 5b shoving being probably better than 5b/inducing and calling off against a 6bet. It's just one of those delicate spots where we can agree AKc is ahead of his 4b range (which includes some bluffs certainly), but NOT in good shape against his 6b shoving range early on in a 3k WSOP event. Shoving was something I considered pre flop, and I think being suited and in position might've been the deciding factor for me in flatting. Also good argument in favor of shoving, AKc plays better over 5 cards and keeps me from getting in the awkward post flop spots that ensued :)
  7. Mike, I chose to check flop back for two reasons, first, I didn't really like bet/calling (a check/shove) or bet/folding to one either. I felt if we were check shoved by the over caller, an abnormally high % of his range would include KQs, but I was really more worried about Dato. I felt his c/shoving range against me on this flop would be AA/AK/QQQ/JTs (if that's even in his 4b range pre) So since I wasn't wild about bet/calling, coupled with the fact i had backdoor flush draw, I thought I could check back. If it were AKo, I'd probably resign myself to just bet/getting in, but really don't love it still. Are you bet/folding or bet/calling to a check shove on the flop?
  8. Hey guys, Just got home from a 3 week stint in Vegas, and I wanted to share one of the toughest spots I ran into this summer with you all and get everyones thoughts. Blinds 50/100 (2nd level) Hero- 8,500 Villain 1 - 10,000 Villain 2- 15,000 V1 (Andrea Dato, total beast) makes it 225, I raise to 600 on button with AKcc. V2 cold flats in BB, Dato 4b's to 1,700. This was the first debatable spot, I've heard multiple thoughts on different lines here, but I opted to call for a couple reasons. (BB also overcalls) Flop K-Q-2 (two spades, one club) (pot~5,200) Both players check to me, I check back. Turn Td, V2 checks, Dato bets 2,050, I call, V2 folds. River (pot~9,200) off suit 3 (KQ2T3), Dato snap shoves and stares at me. I have about 4,500 chips left, what do we do, and more importantly, what are we ranging him on? I think every single street is debatable and curious everyones thoughts on each part. -Grayson
  9. I think Gags said it all. It seems like one of those difficult spots where we have to choose the lesser of several evils, because every single option seems pretty bad to say the least. I do think if the BB had 30bb or less, I'd go ahead and shove, but the way stacks are, I think I prefer folding barely. In game though I imagine I would just sigh and shove it in. My hierarchy would likely be: Fold > Jam > 3b/fold > flat > 3b/call Can't blame anyone for doing any of the options, although I do think flatting and 3b/calling are the two worst and would go with one of the prior 3. My student ended up 3b/folding and Kevin shoved. So like Gags and Poking_Fun said, I think we just gotta let this one go pre flop. Thanks for the answers guys, thought this was a tough spot when I came across it. Will post more interesting student hands in the future. Grayson
  10. Hey guys, I just finished a HH review lesson today with my student Matt (jambomatty on stars) and we came across a very interesting pre flop spot against MTT stud Kevin MacPhee (Imalucksac/Wuwizard). Thought I'd post here and get some different opinions. This is the final table of the Triceratops on FTP with six people left. Matt (lordloverocket) has around 45bbs in the SB with 55, Kevin opens cutoff off around 27bbs. The BB has about 36 bb... Full Tilt Poker Game #34155612306: Triceratops (266423987), Table 16 - NL Hold'em - 8000/16000 Ante 2000 - 02:26:17 WET - 2014/04/22 [21:26:17 ET - 2014/04/21] Seat 2: Wu_Wizard (444,042) Seat 3: Davyboy_1974 (254,825) Seat 5: LordLoveRocket4 (697,175) Seat 6: dblitzer (583,444) Seat 7: Rolland666 (624,344) Seat 8: Mohamett (340,170) Wu_Wizard antes 2,000 Davyboy_1974 antes 2,000 LordLoveRocket4 antes 2,000 dblitzer antes 2,000 Rolland666 antes 2,000 Mohamett antes 2,000 LordLoveRocket4 posts the small blind of 8,000 dblitzer posts the big blind of 16,000 The button is in seat #3 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to LordLoveRocket4 [5s 5c] Rolland666 folds Mohamett folds Wu_Wizard raises to 32,000 Davyboy_1974 folds LordLoveRocket4 has 15 seconds left to act ??? I'll post my thoughts after a cpl responses, not loving our options here though. Curious everyone's thoughts. -Grayson
  11. Ya, this is a great thread topic, I really liked what Drew, Adam, double_kyan said at the beginning, I've often struggled with this subject, and find it difficult to argue against the math (similar to a thread we had weeks ago involving Nash shoves being too loose) and then I read Ape's post which makes an excellent counter argument. Something Jon said about that really resonated was the willingness to pass up on the spots without fold equity (i.e. calling off in spots that are showing a very slight +cEV), yet not passing up on any marginal shove spots that show a profit, where we still have fold equity. For example, would we rather shove 15bb on the button with A2o, or call off in the BB vs a 15blind button shove with a5o? I'm thinking the prior, thoughts? Great topic though, I still struggle with it mightily :)
  12. everything MD said is spot on, I've actually had a fair amount of experience with Stars v 888 vicariously through my students in the past two years. I've noticed the swings/variance on stars is infinitely more difficult to overcome, while 888 seems to be far more stable (worse players and more beatable/reasonable fields). I think it's good to learn to balance the two, I told most of my students to try and play a majority of your tables on 888/euro sites to decrease variance, and then pepper in a few mine field/high variance tournaments on stars, to still give yourself a shot at getting a big score for little investment, but also not relying entirely on one massive bink. Poker is all about balance, and choosing which tournaments to play over various sites is just another example of it.
  13. I feel ya, and I bet there's a lot to be said for live reads, but I still think we get into the tough spot where we fall victim to our own deceptive line, making it so we have to call merely cause of our turn check. I think betting the turn will make things much more obvious to us on the river, and while we may sometimes lose more (the times we're beat) I still think we're going to have a much clearer idea of where the villain stands if we bet the turn.
  14. I think a big advantage to p5s training is that people like myself, Gags, Assasinato, Apestyles are still active in the community, and I for one know that if anyone watched one of my videos and had a question about it, I'd be happy to answer a PM regarding any of the videos. I don't think you'll be able to have as much access to pros from some of the other sites. Having said that, I think RunitOnce has some of the best instructors out there, although is much pricier. If you go there, I highly recommend Gray31 and Jakoon's videos. P5s is the only other site I've watched videos, and my favorites here are apestyles and Gags. I think Ape has an incredibly unique view of the game and does an excellent job of explaining his thought process to the viewer, while Gags is just one of the hands down best at conveying complex material in an easy to understand way. Can't go wrong with either :)
  15. Gags hit the nail on the head, if I had one day for a crash course on MTTs with a student, I'd spend a majority of that day going over sub 20bb play, as well as 20-30bb play, cause like Mike said, a majority of MTT play consists of 15-35bb stacks. Aside from fine tuning shoving/calling ranges, I'd focus on the mental/logical aspect of the game, and not just the difficulty of remaining levelheaded and logical in such a volatile game, but also the reasoning behind plays/actions. I have often found many players falling into an unfavorable habit of clicking buttons "just because" and not for a specific reason. I think every bet, every decision needs to have a purpose or a reason. Just think before you 3b with AQ "can i stand up against a 4b, what am I going to do vs a shove/4b/flat etc" Sometimes the "standard" play, doesn't actually fit in the particular situation at hand, and if you just reason through it step by step, you'll figure out the best move a majority of the time. Before making a play, look at everyone's stack sizes/positions, (most notably your own and the blinds) and then act accordingly. The game is played based on stack sizes and positions, and most of your actions should be dictated by these factors. Fundamentally speaking, I think position and hand selection are of paramount importance, but most people are fairly familiar with both of these. We all learned hand selection from the get go, but some people still forget how important position really is, and I think it's important for people to remember that you can win at this game by keeping a level head, executing solid fundamentals, and thinking creatively/logically about the game for the times you step outside of the box. Money isn't made in poker by "trying to bluff someone off an ace" or 3b'ing every single person at the table, but it's won by taking advantage of edges that are absolute and definite, by taking advantage of positional advantages (i.e. shoving a correct range from SB/Button). A lot of those are just like Gags said, found in a solid push/fold and reshove game. If someone can lock down a solid shove stack game with <20bbs, they can hang in any tournament. Tough question to answer, but those are some of the keys I'd focus on. MTTs are quite a beast, but if you tackle them with a level mind and desire to learn, anyone can make it happen.
  16. I'm not sure why we are checking the turn here, seems like an auto bet. Further, if we do check the turn (for deception/pot control like DiamondDixie said), how could we ever dream of folding river? We've taken an incredibly strange/passive line for having near the top of our range, and although his river over bet is quite strange and will often end up being very strong hands, with the line we've taken, there is zero chance the villain ever puts you on a flush, which now widens his value betting and bluffing ranges in this spot. I'm with ya, and hate seeing an over bet here (and often find these plays to be the nuts), but with the line we've taken I couldn't dream of doing anything but calling on this river.
  17. I don't necessarily think 77 is much better than ATs here, in fact 77 would be the bottom of my shoving range in this particular spot (and ATs is the top of my folding range), so they're both clearly close, I'm just arguing that ATs is a fold here and A5s/A8s/a9s are DEFINITELY folds. I'll send Tyson a PM and see if he can come in and shed a little light on things for the mathematically challenged like myself :)
  18. I think people make a mistake at taking Nash ranges as the end all, be all. We've already established that ATs is very close (and can clearly go either way), but I think anyone with a lot of MTT experience knows that shoving A5s/A8s UTG w 14bbs at a full ring table is just awful, yet Nash condones it for some reason. I wish we could get Gags/Tyson (who are much better at the math than I) to come in and comment as well. In regards to 22 v ATs, I'd rather shove the 22 because I do think in a vacuum, the hands we get looked up by most in this exact situation will be AQ/AK (at least significantly more than 66-88) but I'd still prefer folding the 22 w this stack as well (yet I'd shove it under 12bbs) Rbunce, I'm not entirely sure how much the lone A blocker changes things with the ATs, but that certainly might be the reason why the chart prefers the shove (and would make sense why it condones the Axs shoves as well)
  19. what calling hands are we hoping of eliminating? I have to imagine that the calling range against us here is AJs+ AQ+ 88+ (AJs and 77 seem close but i'll include just one of them), and we just don't fair very well against that range with ATs, not to mention we're shoving into literally the entire table, and have to hope none of the 8 people behind us wake up with one of those aforementioned hands. I also think risk to reward is important to consider here, best case scenario, everyone just folds and we pick up blinds and antes and net around +3bbs, is that worth it to risk getting called by a hand that often has us drawing to 3 outs for our entire stack? I'd say no at 14bbs, however at 11-12 bbs, I think it might be much more beneficial and worthwhile for us. I've always said position is of paramount importance in poker, and I think this hand is the perfect example. I think ATs is a fold UTG/UTG+1 with 14bbs here, but suddenly if ur in MP2 or you have 12bbs in the same positions (UTG), then u can shove, so it's clearly very close.
  20. ah, he got you with the old stop-n-go :) Yes, I'd go ahead and call here, and no, I don't think he's doing this with any two cards or his entire range. I'd imagine he has something along the lines of QT/JT/QJ (I'd think w/ an ace he'd be comfortable enough to check to you with intentions of c/raising allin) So he's probably weighted towards more of middle pair + backdoor draw type hands. Unfortunately we're obviously behind any hand he can have, but we did pick up a FD, and due to the $$$ in the pot, it's just a spot where we need to call and gamble. We will hit our flush about 30% of the time here, and you are getting the correct odds to call, however if the stopngo was for more than 2x the pot (instead of just over pot sized), I'd go ahead and sigh fold, so you weren't far off.
  21. Eric, I agree what u said about 22 being same as 77 with my logic regarding 33-66 folding, however that was my argument for preferring shoving 22 in this spot than ATs, but I don't really like shoving either tbh. Also I think rungoodmuch answered the question for me, "77 plays better than suited broadway in this spot. There are more combinations of strong aces here than pairs that would call. I would be shoving any pair here tbh." Although I still think the small pairs are folds here still for almost the same reason rungood also mentioned, how sometimes a play that can show a slight mathematical profit in the long run, isn't always the best option at that moment (most notably if you have an edge at the table like he also stipulated). If I saw correctly, that chart said shoving a5s UTG 9 handed was slightly profitable with 14bbs. I just can't fathom any top player shoving A5s with 14bb UTG at a full ring table (especially at first hand of a FT). I noticed things started getting heated at the end, we should tone down the vitriol, it doesn't really accomplish anything but eliminate people from voicing their opinions. The whole point of the forum is for us to discuss hands, and the great thing about poker, there isn't always just 1 way to play a hand, there are often multiple good options to take (often times just one is slightly better than the other) I imagine the best approach is somewhere in between the math approach and the feel approach, unfortunately many of us are either left or right brained, and will almost always favor one or the other, but that's what makes discussing hands together so interesting.
  22. I'm just seeing this now and completely surprised that not one person said they'd fold here. I think 14bb is a fold UTG 9 handed with ATs. I would shove AJs+ 77+ in this spot, and think getting in AT (or even Axs like I saw many people mention) seems pretty bad with 8 people behind us. There has to be some considerations made in regards to the fact that the most common hands to call us in this spot are AQ/AK, which we play terribly against. I'd almost rather shove 22 in this spot than ATs, knowing full well that most of the table will fold 33-66 here, but AJs/AQ/AK are of course always calling. While I think it's definitely a fold, I'd be shoving with 12bb or less, so it's close, and clearly fluctuates with 1bb +/- or one or two spots further in position.
  23. You should never 6b/fold with KK here. Either 6b/snap off his shove, or flat the 5b prior. I'd usually just flat his 5b to 6k, keeping in any bluff hands he might have, while also keeping your hand under repped.
  24. Hey john, Tough to answer a general question with such specifics, but I think the best answer would be to play aggressively in position, but also still stick with your ABC poker. I've always been a firm believer that playing strong fundamental poker, especially in lower stakes, is the key to winning. Strong fundamentals being…utilizing positional advantages, isolating weak limpers, not getting out of line with hand selection, assigning ranges to your opponents and inversely assigning the range they likely put you on…and so forth. Having said all of that, I do also think in cash games it's important to be perceived as a bit more aggressive, as the table nit will seldom ever get paid off. I think you can accomplish this by playing aggressively in position, ie. raising most buttons, raising from SB when folded too often, etc. You don't need to be 4b'ing or doing fancy plays to achieve this active image, just make sure you're playing as many hands as possible when in positional advantage, and stick to your solid fundamentals and you'll keep doing great I'm sure.
  25. what both of them said is correct, but if you are to limp with this stack, you picked a decent hand to do so with, it should flop fairly well and u can easily chk/fold if you miss. As played, definitely shove the turn, you have the best hand 99% of the time, and need to go ahead and protect your hand/get value for it. Also not sure why you checked the river as last person to act, it would be OK if u were the first person to act (w two ppl behind you) to check on the river, solely to induce bets from your opponents with bluffs or lesser hands, but when they both check to you, you almost always have the best hand and should always bet.

Important Information

We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue.