it always goes runner runner Kuads though so its actually easy to represent, I mean like 50% of the time, in my experience, when the board rolls out Kowboy Kowboy on turn and river and there was a Kowboy on the flop already, someone has Kuads so I don't think it's a value line here.. he's def. bluffing repping the likely nuts. Just a really good call with four4s