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By: Court
Published on Jan 28th, 2012
Live games are much more enjoyable to me than online games. Driving to games, getting there early, having to wait, getting into a game that is full and not being able to get a seat for hours, and the sometimes brutally slow pace of play are all among the negatives of playing live poker. For me, that is all made up for by the social aspect of the game that is lost online.

Playing with the same people every week has benefits for my bottom line as I continue to learn others' tendencies and ways to play better against them, but more than that, the real value I get out of playing live is what I am table to learn from the players at the table, and not about poker.

Most of the games I play in are $5/$10 or bigger and have a very steady lineup of players. While there is a little turnover at each game, there is a core group of 12 to 15 players that has pretty much been the same for years. While there are a few winning or breakeven players, most of the players in the game are long-term losing players, and they are smart enough to know it. For them, playing poker is a way to relax and get away from their job, just like going to a movie might be to someone else. And they are happy to pay for the entertainment.

Just because these players are losing to me at poker doesn’t mean I am smarter than them, and it surely doesn’t mean I am more successful. What it really means is that they have been so successful that they can afford to spend on entertainment what I will bust my tail to have a shot at making in a card game.

Over the last five years, I have put in a lot of hours playing live poker. I have won some money and, on the surface, that is the reason I go to every game I can get to, even when I don’t really want to make the drive or have something else going on that I would rather be doing. In the long-run, the money I win will pale in comparison to what I will have learned from the people I am playing with and the networks I have built.

From scrap metal yards to restaurants to surveying to logging, I have learned a lot about small- and medium-sized businesses and how they are run. I have learned about local politics, real estate investing, tax planning, and all sorts of other topics. The education I have gotten from card games over the last few years has been exponentially more valuable than what I learned at the University of North Carolina (and I think I gained a lot of knowledge and life experience there as well).

When I do travel and sit at games in casinos, I am often left thinking about what some of the winning players are missing out on by focusing so hard on the poker. When the table talk turns to 4betting and polarizing ranges, most of the guys I have been learning so much from tune out. Instead of talking poker, I spend my time at the table trying to learn from them by guiding the natural flow of conversation to topics they are experts in and away from poker.

I’ve never really learned much from poker talk at the table anyway. Away from the table, I have people I talk poker with and am constantly thinking about, discussing, and analyzing how I play and how I adapt to situations. At the table, though, I have found more value in taking the discussion away from poker to almost any other topic I can.

Not only will you learn from the players you are sitting with, but you will also build relationships with them. As they talk about things they know, a personal bond can start to form, and with social networking, making a lasting contact is much easier than it has ever been before.

Looking at refinancing your house? Maybe the loan officer at your table can tell you what the rate would be for your situation and cut you a deal on closing costs, something that could save you tons of money, but you would never have even considered had you been talking about whether the guy should have called your 3bet.

People playing poker like poker and the talk at the table will often be poker-related, but it doesn’t always have to be. Let the other people be the ones driving the poker talk and see if you can find a way to learn about the things your opponents are doing away from the table. You never know what gem of knowledge you might pick up or lifelong contact you might make. Or even more simply, you may make the conversation interesting enough to keep a guy with money to lose at the table instead of headed down the hall to roll craps where he doesn’t have to listen to a bunch of 22-year-old poker know-it-alls tell him how bad he is.

Court Harrington has worked on the business side of the poker industry in roles including tournament reporting for PocketFives, radio hosting for PokerRoad Radio, coaching for the WSOP Academy, and a variety of behind-the-scenes responsibilities. He also plays in cash games and tournaments. Harrington is currently doing consulting work and exploring business opportunities outside of the poker industry. You can contact him at PokerRoadCourt@gmail.com.

Comments

  1. Really enjoying these articles Court, very truthful. Keep it up!
     
  2.  
    Originally Posted by julesdAA View Post

    Really enjoying these articles Court, very truthful. Keep it up!

    +1
  3. I dig it very much so.
  4. Like this a lot Court. I learned to really enjoy playing socially while living in Costa Rica. Met some really interesting people at the tables and got a lot out of it. I remember you sharing at least one of those (relatively bizarre) nights with me.
     
  5.  
    Originally Posted by Adam View Post

    Like this a lot Court. I learned to really enjoy playing socially while living in Costa Rica. Met some really interesting people at the tables and got a lot out of it. I remember you sharing at least one of those (relatively bizarre) nights with me.


    Hey Adam was one of those interesting people named Rory A.J. Graham by any chance. I met him down there and he was one of the craziest characters Ive seen.
  6. i can dig it. tyty Court
  7. I've been playing a lot of live poker since black friday. I can agree that listening to internet players talk strategy can be nauseating at times. I probably give off an air of 'elitism' too when grinding live, but I've really made an effort to cut out the douchey online superiority. All the strat talk, and online lingo just makes the recreational players at the table pack up and leave. Part of being a live grinder is mingling with the fish, making it entertaining for them, and keeping the higher level thinking to yourself.
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  8. I've spent more time live at a donkcasino than I'd like to speak since Black Friday.....And as much as there is a lot more to be gained by saying nothing than telling the donks how bad they are, you can't compare the online vs. live. The driving, getting there early, having to wait for hours, and a brutally slow place is enough to explain why. The online world is (or was) ready when I was way more than live. I could play 12 MTT's at once with a GTD break on the hour every hour with WAY more many hand per hour!!!!! I played live at a NJ WSOP Circuit Event a while back and I was surprised to learn that 1:00 didn't really mean 1:00 :( The structures are better online, the website doesn't ask for dealer tips after there is already a 15-20% rake, you don't have to put up with /ignore all of the absurd people of so many walks of life I can't begin to explain, I can control the remote/stereo/volume, I can make a drink (instead of having to overpay for no more than a single, 20 min. apart.), I can make a sandwich, I can take the dog out, I can take a shit, the list goes on. And if I have to pay the gov. for regulation (age verification, security, tax evasion, money laundering, etc.) I'm down. But it's hard to read this article without thinking of what once was and can return slightly adjusted :)
  9. live tourneys = fish can't leave or they lose/blind out.
     
  10.  
    Originally Posted by SuckaBusta93 View Post

    I've spent more time live at a donkcasino than I'd like to speak since Black Friday.....And as much as there is a lot more to be gained by saying nothing than telling the donks how bad they are, you can't compare the online vs. live. The driving, getting there early, having to wait for hours, and a brutally slow place is enough to explain why. The online world is (or was) ready when I was way more than live. I could play 12 MTT's at once with a GTD break on the hour every hour with WAY more many hand per hour!!!!! I played live at a NJ WSOP Circuit Event a while back and I was surprised to learn that 1:00 didn't really mean 1:00 :( The structures are better online, the website doesn't ask for dealer tips after there is already a 15-20% rake, you don't have to put up with /ignore all of the absurd people of so many walks of life I can't begin to explain, I can control the remote/stereo/volume, I can make a drink (instead of having to overpay for no more than a single, 20 min. apart.), I can make a sandwich, I can take the dog out, I can take a shit, the list goes on. And if I have to pay the gov. for regulation (age verification, security, tax evasion, money laundering, etc.) I'm down. But it's hard to read this article without thinking of what once was and can return slightly adjusted :)


    the only thing i can disagree with you on here is meeting all different people from all walks of life. that imo is the best part, but i am also a poker dealer, and that is a major social factor of the job that i really enjoy.

    as for everything else you are spot on. no over pay on rake, and you get VPPs back for it that you can cash out lol. also, if the united states government is sitting here thinking they are going to be taxing all of our winnings, they have another thing coming. remember you can report all losses for like gambling. just like how i keep my every tourney receipt from every live event, OPR is one click away from showing all of our losses. the government will hate tourney ledgers from the websites, and dislike sites like officialpokerrankings.com once we start using theme to counter our losses.
  11. I was ready to spout some bullshit when I scrolled thru, but after reading and having played live in Tampa all last summer...I really think this article has a LOT of merit. I play online now in Mexico but I'll be damned if this article doesn't wanna make me find a casino while I'm traveling abroad.
  12.  
    Originally Posted by The Smoking Pimp View Post

    Hey Adam was one of those interesting people named Rory A.J. Graham by any chance. I met him down there and he was one of the craziest characters Ive seen.

    Off hand I don't think I know him. But we've probably run into each other. I was down there more than 4 years, but the last year or two I didn't really play that much
     
  13. great article!
  14. for every interesting sociable live rec player, there's at least one 'livepro' who has a greater air of superiority than the former online guys, but without any of the knowledge or experience.
     
  15. Every hotshot know-it-all online fratboy douchebag should read this article and let it sink in. Sadly, they won't.
  16. While I agree that nothing bothers me more than when a player critiques another players play at the table, and strategy talk at the table in general. The random nonsense conversations aren't much better. I wish I could mute 90% of the people I have ever sat down with at the poker table, the number two problem I have with live play is my surroundings, I don't want to be surrounded by these people on almost every occasion, listening to every thought that comes to every tools mind but he cant keep it to himself. Only thing I hate more than the people is the slow play and no multi tabling :(
  17. Great article. I have played live poker in almost every poker room in Vegas and Mesquite and Laughlin and Wendover and Jackpot and Elko and Reno and Tahoe and I keep a souvenir chip from each poker room. Live poker is full of all kinds of characters from millionaire businessmen to homeless alcoholics. I met a 'rattlesnake' rancher in Wendover at the poker tables who claimed he made huge amounts of money breeding and raising and milking and butchering rattlesnakes for their meat and skins and he offered me a job as a rattlesnake ranch foreman. I declined. There are certainly positives and negatives relative to live poker play versus internet poker play. There is really no need to debate the merits of live play versus internet play...I enjoy BOTH modes of play...poker lovers should simply play live AND on the internet...no need for a debate...
 

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