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PPA: IGBA Ruling is "Victory for the Game of Poker"[ return to main articles page ]

By: Dan Cypra    [See all articles by Dan Cypra]
Published on Aug 21st, 2012
On Tuesday, Judge Jack Weinstein of the United States District Court for the Eastern District of New York became the first Federal judge to rule that poker is a game of skill rather than a game of chance. The verdict concluded by saying that poker is not illegal gambling under the Illegal Gambling Business Act (IGBA), which could have ramifications for poker-related court cases down the road.

In a press release sent out on Tuesday afternoon, Poker Players Alliance (PPA) Executive Director John Pappas called the ruling a "major victory for the game of poker and the millions of Americans who enjoy playing it."

Pappas announced, "As we worked for years defending players against vague gambling laws, we have patiently waited for the right opportunity to raise the issue in Federal court… Judge Weinstein's thoughtful decision recognizes what we have consistently argued for years: poker is not a crime; it is a game of skill. As the judge's opinion aptly notes, poker is an American pastime that is deeply embedded in the history and fabric of our nation and his decision sets aside the notion that the vague laws render the game criminal."

The PPA was intricately involved in the case, which centered on Lawrence DiCristina's operation of an allegedly illegal poker game, and submitted an amicus brief. In the end, the U.S. Government failed to prove that chance predominates in poker. Pappas (pictured) pointed out, "Judge Weinstein gave the Government an opportunity to prove that poker was a game of predominant chance, but even Federal prosecutors could not provide an expert of any kind that could conclude that chance predominates over skill in poker."

In the 120-page ruling, Weinstein asserted that professional poker players "draw on an array of talents" that "permit the best poker players to prevail over the less-than-skilled players over a series of hands." For those of you thinking there is an element of chance in poker, Weinstein agreed, but countered, "That chance plays some role in the outcome of the game does not imply that poker is predominantly a game of chance rather than predominantly a game of skill."

We've had a few posters on PocketFives ask about the corollary to the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act, which outlaws financial transfers from online poker players to "unlawful internet gambling" sites. PPA Vice President of Player Relations Rich TheEngineer Muny (pictured) provided the following insight in a statement to PocketFives: "The DOJ alleged that it was a violation of New York state law that led to the UIGEA Black Friday charges for PokerStars and Full Tilt."

You'll recall that late last year the DOJ ruled that the Wire Act of 1961 only applies to online sports betting. Slowly but surely, according to Muny, there is some clarity as to whether poker falls under certain Federal laws: "There's still going to be an open question on the UIGEA if you offer poker in a state where it's not allowed. That's what we saw with PokerStars and Full Tilt, which led to the alleged UIGEA violation." Therefore, state laws will also continue to come into play.

In addition to alleged UIGEA violations, the 11 individuals targeted on Black Friday were also hit with counts of operating an illegal gambling business, conspiracy to commit bank fraud and wire fraud, and money laundering conspiracy. Several, including Absolute Poker co-founder Brent Beckley, have already pleaded guilty. Others, like embattled Full Tilt Poker founder Ray Bitar, are in U.S. custody awaiting trial.

Read Weinstein's poker skill game ruling.

Comments

  1. Does this imply that underground poker playing is not illegal now?
  2.  
    Originally Posted by lynx9292 View Post

    Does this imply that underground poker playing is not illegal now?

    It never was, as long as the house isn't taking a rake.
  3. so pokerstars re-entering the US soon?
  4.  
    Originally Posted by ChameleoN89 View Post

    so pokerstars re-entering the US soon?

    First of all i hope Pokerstars stays far far far away from you Americans!!!!....second.....who the fck is this judge by stating "poker is an American pastime"....hmmmm let see if i live in Australia its not a so called pastime for us?......hey Pappas get a hold of that judge and remind him there are not just Amercans playing poker nowadays.....oh ya perhaps this is an American Site and the rest of the world better not say a thing...its funny that the Americans are so far behind times huh!...took them over 16 month and 3/4 billions dollars to finally figure out that poker was a game of skill!!!!!!!!!!!...sick mafia clowns!!!
  5.  
    Originally Posted by K5VERB View Post

    First of all i hope Pokerstars stays far far far away from you Americans!!!!....second.....who the fck is this judge by stating "poker is an American pastime"....hmmmm let see if i live in Australia its not a so called pastime for us?......hey Pappas get a hold of that judge and remind him there are not just Amercans playing poker nowadays.....oh ya perhaps this is an American Site and the rest of the world better not say a thing...its funny that the Americans are so far behind times huh!...took them over 16 month and 3/4 billions dollars to finally figure out that poker was a game of skill!!!!!!!!!!!...sick mafia clowns!!!

    STFU you little aussie rat, WTF u mad you about, you can still play and if you had money tied up on FTP you going get back and be able to play in a couple months. So stop your stupid mind from posting your shitty opinion.
     
  6.  
    Originally Posted by ChameleoN89 View Post

    so pokerstars re-entering the US soon?

    Although it would be nice. i doubt PokerStars EVER returns to the US unless enough fatcats in Washington get a big enough payoff. too bad Online poker does not have the big money like the Oil companies and other big powerful companies cause the lobbyyists run the US government anyway...
  7.  
    Originally Posted by K5VERB View Post

    First of all i hope Pokerstars stays far far far away from you Americans!!!!....second.....who the fck is this judge by stating "poker is an American pastime"....hmmmm let see if i live in Australia its not a so called pastime for us?......hey Pappas get a hold of that judge and remind him there are not just Amercans playing poker nowadays.....oh ya perhaps this is an American Site and the rest of the world better not say a thing...its funny that the Americans are so far behind times huh!...took them over 16 month and 3/4 billions dollars to finally figure out that poker was a game of skill!!!!!!!!!!!...sick mafia clowns!!!

    Idiot....You are really narrow minded and not very well informed
  8. Let me get this straight. Poker is not illegal right? If this is the case, why can't all this BS be put to bed? If poker is not illegal, surely Pokerstars is not operating an illegal gambling business? This makes no sense to me as to why Americans can't play. The damn federal judge has said it himself.

    I understand individuals have been prosecuted for other things, such as fraud, but surely Stars did nothing wrong if poker is not illegal in the US.
  9.  
    Originally Posted by ACheemz View Post

    Let me get this straight. Poker is not illegal right? If this is the case, why can't all this BS be put to bed? If poker is not illegal, surely Pokerstars is not operating an illegal gambling business? This makes no sense to me as to why Americans can't play. The damn federal judge has said it himself.

    I understand individuals have been prosecuted for other things, such as fraud, but surely Stars did nothing wrong if poker is not illegal in the US.

    The question is not why Americans can't play, the question is who would not want Americans to play? There is always a conflict of interests behind every scandal, especially in the US where most rules are money driven. Most laws and regulations (like short selling restrictions in financial markets) are meant to protect those who wrote them.
  10.  
    Originally Posted by ACheemz View Post

    Let me get this straight. Poker is not illegal right? If this is the case, why can't all this BS be put to bed? If poker is not illegal, surely Pokerstars is not operating an illegal gambling business? This makes no sense to me as to why Americans can't play. The damn federal judge has said it himself.

    I understand individuals have been prosecuted for other things, such as fraud, but surely Stars did nothing wrong if poker is not illegal in the US.

    Although you could argue that poker itself might not be illegal if it's a skill game, there are still a variety of state laws that must be followed. For example, the Black Friday charges were brought because of a violation of New York state law. Moreover, if the Black Friday allegations were true, then fraud was indeed taking place and is a crime in itself. The Fed alleged that Stars, Tilt, AP, and UB were processing poker transactions as "toys" and trying to "buy a bank" in Utah.
     
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  11.  
    Originally Posted by Dan View Post

    Although you could argue that poker itself might not be illegal if it's a skill game, there are still a variety of state laws that must be followed. For example, the Black Friday charges were brought because of a violation of New York state law. Moreover, if the Black Friday allegations were true, then fraud was indeed taking place and is a crime in itself. The Fed alleged that Stars, Tilt, AP, and UB were processing poker transactions as "toys" and trying to "buy a bank" in Utah.

    I hear what you're saying Dan. However, if poker is not illegal then those involved shouldn't have had to cover up the payments in the first place. I get all the politics invovled, but it just seems ridiculous to me that Black Friday happened anyway. The only sense in this is that Full Tilt got caught in operating a poor business, but Stars should not have been blocked from allowing US players.

    But still good news that a Federal judge has spoken up. Let's get this moving!!
  12.  
    Originally Posted by ACheemz View Post

    I hear what you're saying Dan. However, if poker is not illegal then those involved shouldn't have had to cover up the payments in the first place. I get all the politics invovled, but it just seems ridiculous to me that Black Friday happened anyway. The only sense in this is that Full Tilt got caught in operating a poor business, but Stars should not have been blocked from allowing US players.

    But still good news that a Federal judge has spoken up. Let's get this moving!!

    Its kind of silly when you think about it. UIGEA should not have included online poker, but because of the restraints it put on banks and payment processors it caused sites like Stars and FTP had to commit fraud to allow deposits and withdrawals....
  13. It included poker because they wanted all the monies from the big boys
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  14.  
    Originally Posted by FLUSH634 View Post

    It included poker because they wanted all the monies from the big boys



    Not really but okay
     
  15.  
    Originally Posted by neato mr View Post

    It never was, as long as the house isn't taking a rake.

    Actually the playing of poker, even in illegal underground games where the house is taking a rake, is not illegal. The players (at least in New York State) are never arrested, while the dealers and other staff are charged with anything from misdemeanors to felonies. As someone who has worked in NYC's underground poker world for years, this ruling is a welcome precedent, but changes nothing for the players in the games.
  16.  
    Originally Posted by K5VERB View Post

    First of all i hope Pokerstars stays far far far away from you Americans!!!!....second.....who the fck is this judge by stating "poker is an American pastime"....hmmmm let see if i live in Australia its not a so called pastime for us?......hey Pappas get a hold of that judge and remind him there are not just Amercans playing poker nowadays.....oh ya perhaps this is an American Site and the rest of the world better not say a thing...its funny that the Americans are so far behind times huh!...took them over 16 month and 3/4 billions dollars to finally figure out that poker was a game of skill!!!!!!!!!!!...sick mafia clowns!!!

    The part about it being a past time has its roots way closer to the US than Australia could ever have. Also Im happy we could pass on a game Australia calls its National game "Five Hundred". That game also originated in the US. AUS sucks so bad they cant come up with their own games.
 
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