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It's Time for the Annual WSOP Ladies Event Drama[ return to main articles page ]

By: Earl Burton    [See all articles by Earl Burton]
Published on Jun 28th, 2012
The World Series of Poker (WSOP) usually has its share of drama. One of the biggest issues over the past few years has been the appearance of male players in the Ladies No Limit Hold’em Championship, which starts on Friday and has, in the past, featured celebs like Mimi Rogers (pictured). The debate got an early start this year on many message boards due to comments from several top poker players.

On Tuesday, David Doc Sands Sands fired off the first salvo by Tweeting, “I will not speak to or buy action from any man who plays the ladies event for the next 12 months. Also, I will slow-roll you whenever possible.”

Upping the ante following Sands’ Tweet was PokerStars pro Daniel Negreanu, who chimed in on Twitter, “If you are a male considering playing the WSOP Ladies Event on Friday, please know you are a douchebag and I hope you end up homeless.”

Comments like these seemed to inflame the passions of people on both sides of the issue. On the Two Plus Two forum, most posters believed that Sands and Negreanu are correct and that the Rio and the WSOP should be able to keep men out of the tournament. Others point out that the reason for a man to enter the Ladies Event is positive expected value. Even if they're badgered, the publicity is worth the abuse.

One poster, "jwa4894" on Two Plus Two, said, “I must say reading views such as this (the +EV argument) has been an eye-opener to me. I assumed the men were entering because of prop bets or to make some sort (of statement against discrimination). This kind of mercenary attitude leaves me speechless.”

He went on to say, “The WSOP is supposed to be the flagship series not just for professional players to turn a profit, but also to advertise the game to the non-playing community. Gate-crashing specialist events such as this demonstrate an ignorance and selfishness beyond that expected from a decent person, let alone a respectful member of the poker community.”

A part of the WSOP schedule since 1977, the Ladies Event has been at the heart of controversy over the last several years. In 2010, the rhetoric ramped up when well-known online players Shaun shaundeeb Deeb (pictured) and David Blue Knight4 Sesso took part (along with a half dozen other men) in the Ladies tournament, with Deeb showing up in drag.

Sesso apologized for his entry into the tournament, saying it was due to losing a prop bet. “I apologize to anyone I offended and vow to never participate in another Ladies Event,” Sesso said following the tournament.

Deeb said he was “protesting” the event due to its separation by sex and would donate a portion of his winnings to charity, although he didn’t cash.

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The debate came to a head last year when a male made the Ladies Event final table for the first time. Jonathan Epstein (pictured) moved through the field to make the final table before bowing out in ninth place. Epstein is the brother of former ESPN “Inside Deal” host Laura Lane, who commented during last year’s event that she felt “pride and shame” at her brother’s appearance at the tournament’s final table.

Whether there will be another flood of men trying to take part in this year’s Ladies Event is, as of yet, unknown. In the past, the WSOP hierarchy has tried to figure out punishments for male participants in the Ladies Event. They considered banning Deeb and Sesso from future WSOP events, for example, but backed away from that.

For last year’s males in the field, and especially during Epstein’s run, officials were less than complementary. For example, Tournament Director Robbie Thompson announced, “Finally, welcome to THE Ladies Event,” upon Epstein’s elimination.

Speaking on the WSOP's position on men entering the tournament, WSOP Vice President of Communications Seth Palansky told the media in May, "We never want men playing in the Ladies Event. It's designed for the ladies only… If men want to enter, they can try to enter. At the end of the day, we will have to let them in."

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Comments

  1. I get that men are allowed to play in the Ladies-only event, but if they win, is the WSOP required to give them the bracelet? They'd still have to be awarded the money because of EEOC rules, but I don't the same argument could be made for the trophy.
  2. I don't agree with separating men and women in poker. Physical sports I do agree with the separation. Women are just as capable of winning in poker as men.
  3. shaun deeb is so gross makes me wanna puke!!!! what women in their right mind would bang that dude!
     
  4. They should allow males to enter as bounties or somethin
  5. i mean shaun deeb could pass as a women he does have man boobs
  6.  
    Originally Posted by yjbrewer View Post

    I don't agree with separating men and women in poker. Physical sports I do agree with the separation. Women are just as capable of winning in poker as men.

    So fucking this. Its not like you're playing hoops with them and gonna dominate them because you are physically bigger and stronger.

    I mean if you are looking for the most +ev situation as a poker player and think you have a bigger edge in the women's event why not enter?

    I mean its a sexist view to think men are better than women at poker. Its also a sexist to make a women only tourney. There's no men's only tourney!

    And LOL at pros getting butt hurt over this. They are basically also being sexist reasoning men are better than women at poker and drawing an ethical line in the sand based on that.

    Side note, are there similar issues at the senior event?
  7. Pretty egotistical tweet by Doc. One thing to say you don't think people should play but, Doc Thinks he is god.
    "I wont talk to you for 12 months" That's his sentence. Thanks Your Honor. lol
    Edited By: pimpnuho Jun 28th, 2012 at 09:49 PM
     
  8.  
    Originally Posted by Cptn_Squishy View Post

    I get that men are allowed to play in the Ladies-only event, but if they win, is the WSOP required to give them the bracelet? They'd still have to be awarded the money because of EEOC rules, but I don't the same argument could be made for the trophy.

    According to WSOP officials, the WSOP does not have to award a male winner of the Ladies Event with a bracelet.
     
  9. Men should have to pay twice the buy in as women to play in the event...that will solve many things.However, there shouldn't be a tournament that is segregated by sex. Men are NOT smarter than women.
  10.  
    Originally Posted by Gameslut View Post

    Men are NOT smarter than women.

    LOL
  11. Well we have a Seniors Event and a Womens event. I guess a Black only or a White only event will be coming in the near future.
  12. unless the wsop fixes this, its ev for any male to play. its about money people. i mean, daniel negranue is talking sht about men entering for ev, when he actually belongs in that tournament and is probably getting blinded off somewhere. cant fault a major league athlete for playing in a pickup game and crushing it now can we. negranue is irrelevant people, what does he do??
     
  13.  
    Originally Posted by MILKJuicE View Post

    unless the wsop fixes this, its ev for any male to play. its about money people. i mean, daniel negranue is talking sht about men entering for ev, when he actually belongs in that tournament and is probably getting blinded off somewhere. cant fault a major league athlete for playing in a pickup game and crushing it now can we. negranue is irrelevant people, what does he do??

    I LOLed
  14. why on earth was there a womens event in the first place....and how are there STILL womens events?!?! has everyone not realised that whole concept is backward and retarded when it comes to poker....LOL
    Edited By: hitthenuts Jun 29th, 2012 at 02:04 AM
  15. I dont think its really designed because women believe they are not as good as males. The fact is, women generally compete separately in most sports due to genetic differences, so there is no reason why they can not have a tournament specifically for women. Why is there such negativity. Why the hell would any guy care when there are 60 other events to play in. How are they disadvantaged? It would attract more women to the wsop anyway. I guess there are plenty of guys who would prefer to only have guys at the WSOP so it seems. It is good to promote and be positive about any female involvement in poker for aesthetic and 'ev' reasons.
     
  16. I support the event as it is good for the game. The fact is that some women are reluctant to compete against men as they feel intimidated. If a single sex game is the way to get them to dabble then I have no problem with that. There is a real business angle to poker and its continued success.
  17. Who cares if the men play the ladies event? Can we just make sure that deeb atleast wears a bra. Jeez look at those nips. Jennifer Tilly who.
     
  18. this isnt about seperation, this is about allowing women in what is often a boys world, play against each other and have some fun for once, instead of feeling like outsiders. men should not play in this event, period, and I don't understand why any real man would care that a bunch of women get to play their own tournament when theres like 50 events. theres already a mens only tournament, and its basically every tournament at the wsop. anyone who defends men playing in this tournament for seperation reasons is lying to themselves and the community by trying to justify playing in a tournament they believe theyre hugely EV in. Poker being the scumbag filled community it is, everyones looking for an edge, and theyll lie as much as possible to save face while gaining that edge.
  19. Very well said, downbylaw. There's nothing to add.
     
  20. Edge--- after all these years that is what I thought poker was about. Since its not I guess no ladies event for me next year
 
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