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Tapie Lawyer: Full Tilt is in Worse Financial Condition than We Anticipated[ return to main articles page ]

By: Dan
Published on Feb 8th, 2012
In recent days, much has been made about the nearly $17 million allegedly owed to Full Tilt Poker from a handful of brand name pros, including Phil Ivey, Layne Flack, David Benyamine, Erick Lindgren, Barry Greenstein, and Mike Matusow.

As you probably already know, Groupe Bernard Tapie is in the process of doing due diligence on Full Tilt Poker in order to complete its asset acquisition. Its lawyer, Behn Dayanim, told PokerStrategy in recent days, “If the money doesn't come in, it creates a serious obstacle to completion of the deal. This isn't the only issue with the takeover, and the deal won't end on any one issue, but this is a substantial item.”

PocketFives had the privilege of sitting down with Tapie’s legal counsel on Wednesday. Dayanim told us in an exclusive interview that the rumored March 1st restart date for Full Tilt Poker that appeared in a TightPoker article this week might not be realistic: “It's very difficult to predict with any certainty when the start date will be. We're nearing the end of the due diligence process, but there are substantial issues that remain to be surmounted. I’m not in a position to be able to comment on that date.”

What issues need to be worked out, you ask? Why couldn’t Full Tilt open its doors tomorrow? “There are a few issues that are substantial and material,” Dayanim evaluated. “The debt owed to Full Tilt Poker by players is a significant issue. We are hoping we'll be able to work through it, but there have been differing responses [when we’ve contacted players to make good on what they owe]. This is a significant issue that we're trying to address and we’ve had limited success so far.”

Dayanim also told PocketFives why Tapie chose to go public with a list of well-known pros who owe the company money rather than keep the discussions private: “The reason we've gone public is because we've had limited success on our own. It's hard to say any one person is holding up the deal, but there have been people who haven’t stepped forward to arrange for repayment.”

Greenstein (pictured) commented on his negotiations with Tapie on TwoPlusTwo: “I don't believe my debt has any impact on the sale to the Tapie group as they have alleged. I was concerned about taking money due to U.S. players and giving it to the Tapie group because it is understood that the Tapie group won't be the one paying the U.S. players.” Greenstein added that he once owed as much as $400,000 to Full Tilt.

Meanwhile, Matusow contended to his 52,000 Twitter followers, “For all my fans out there, just to let you all know, I don’t owe Full Tilt anything. Why my name is mentioned, I don’t know.” Contrastingly, PokerUpdate sourced Dayanim as saying that Matusow owes $700,000 and “has not responded to our attempts to reach him to discuss the matter.”

Ivey, in his first major victory since resurfacing on the live poker circuit, recently took down the Aussie Millions $250,000 Challenge for over $2 million. The event attracted 16 players. The multiple bracelet winner had formerly filed suit against Tiltware, allegedly to get out of his non-compete agreement, but has since dropped his litigation.

Dayanim gave his overall assessment of Full Tilt Poker as Tapie nears the end of its due diligence: “The company is in worse financial condition than we anticipated, and that's reflected in a number of ways like the issues we’re having with debt. When you start the diligence process, your target is a bright, shiny apple. You know it's going to have bruises, and that’s why you have diligence. There are more bruises than we had thought here. The bruises are deeper than we hoped.”

For PocketFives members who are concerned that the various obstacles could derail the acquisition entirely, Dayanim assured us that the company is working hard to ink a deal: “I'm hopeful [the deal will be finalized soon]. The Tapie group is working actively to try to make this deal work. This isn’t something where we're sitting on our hands. The group is really working hard to try to make this happen.”

Full Tilt, UB, and Absolute Poker have not paid U.S. players back since Black Friday 10 months ago.

Comments

  1. run better
  2. Lol....
  3. another article about there being no news. no chance ftp ever comes back
  4. omg..
  5. lol i reckon mike would say that anyway... hes rite too i'd giv them nothing

    i miss the ftops come on hurry da fk up ftp!
  6. “The company is in worse financial condition than we anticipated... There are more bruises than we had thought here. The bruises are deeper than we hoped.”I sure as hell hope this is all part of their public campaign to get the pros to pay up. If there is any actual truth in this I'm very worried.
     
  7. Any truth to Groupe Bernard Tapie offering all the red pros exclusive Adidas shoe deals?
  8. seriously those pros better pay up their debts, if they don't than bernard should sue those pros.
  9. Joke articles being written about Joke sites and Joke Poker Pros...
     
  10. urgh that sounds bad
  11. :facepalm:
     
  12. Huh? I have to be missing something here. Why are they expecting payment of gambling debts? DOJ said it was illegal ponzi operation and now they expect someone to add their own money? Barry Greenstein was not a full tilt pro so it must be something like a marker. Can't see anyway they have any legal binding claim unless he did outside the US.
     
  13. How stupid FTP was? Giving all those pros credit. Hey, I would have liked some credit too. Bunch of BS. The pros ain't all that. I knew they were bad.
  14. PLZ HURRY UP AND PAY THESE WHINERS SO WE CAN PLAY THE FTOPS AGAIN )
  15. Wow this is getting uglier by the second :)

    But guys it time to wake up and smell the roses!

    Lets really find the meaning of some of the statements within this artiicle!

    This isn't the only issue with the takeover, and the deal won't end on any one issue, but this is a substantial item.
    THIS REALLY MEANS, WELL SINSE THE PROS DIDN'T PAY BACK, THAT NOW GIVE US GOOD REASON NOT TO PAY IT BACK TO THE PLAYERS.

    The reason we've gone public is because we've had limited success on our own."
    **You see Groupe Bernard Tapie are not so stupid. What are they really trying to tell ya.
    First, its a good reason to ruin someone's reputation. And i'm truly in favor with thier tactic on this one.
    You see if i borrow money and don't pay it back the lender has ever right to do what ever it takes to recoup thier investment.
    Now image if i borrowed such money from the mafia, yup you got the hitman will be at my front door so i better go in hiding, why do you think these PROS are staying away?
    I think the hitman are going to have a blast this year! (no punn intended LOL)**
    **Second, we all know that these scum bag pros will never pay it back especially those that are trying to deny it, imo Matusow is not telling the whole truth to his 52,000 Twitter fans), and once we find out the truth his 52,000 twitter trolls will decline rapidly and so will his beautiful face on TV.**

    ***Third, THIS REALLY MEANS, WELL SINSE THE PROS DIDN'T PAY BACK, THAT NOW GIVE US GOOD REASON NOT TO PAY IT BACK TO THE PLAYERS.

    "Dayanim assured us that the company is working hard to ink a deal: I'm hopeful [the deal will be finalized soon].
    **Don't kid yourself they can't wait to sign on the dotted line because online poker is a multi billion dollar business!!!! (with or without the players from the USA)
    But before they do, just like any other take over they are trying to limit thier debt load.
    BEBT LOAD in this case for Groupe Bernard Tapie is the massive $$$$ payout to the players!!!!!

    They are going to use every excuse - tactic - reasoning to refrain from ever paying out the players.

    Sorry to break the news to ya, if you are from the USA:
    First - you will never see FTP in your country again.
    Second - you will never see your money ever again!!

    You can blame your government on this one because they really have messed it up for you and if you don't believe me perhaps sit back and ask yourself "how is our fantastic health care system? OR " how come our economy sucks and most unfortunate people are losing thier houses? OR "why is the USA spending billions to send troops to fight a loosing battle? OR "why is the USA helping others in the rest of the world while our own people are starving and living out on the streets!!! Yes its sick but its reality!

    Now if you are living outside the USA and when Groupe Bernard Tapie takes over they are not obligated to payout those players either. (you can do the math on this one yourself).

    So will i see my $35k from FTP ever again, believe me i'm not holding my breath!

    I like to add one more thing to this mess:
    If you played poker on FTP while you were under aged and have money in your FTP acount you have no right to bitch and whine.

    Here is a thought if your really bored. How about taking a course on "how to become the best Hitman" wouldn't that be blast!! LOL
    Edited By: K5VERB Feb 9th, 2012 at 07:11 AM
  16. What a total fuck up by a bunch of degenerate pieces of shit... LOL at matusow trying to snake out of a 700k debt. Sounds about right.
  17. "Full Tilt, UB, and Absolute Poker have not paid U.S. players back since Black Friday 10 months ago."Not only U.S. players all players have not payed back!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  18.  
    Originally Posted by glaskarten View Post

    "Full Tilt, UB, and Absolute Poker have not paid U.S. players back since Black Friday 10 months ago."Not only U.S. players all players have not payed back!!!!!!!!!!!

    Outside the US, players were given the opportunity to play and withdraw for a couple of months on FTP. On UB/AP, a few players were able to receive limited cashouts.
  19. seems so wrong those pros are holding up the sale or whatever it is, to get full tilt back up and running...
     
  20. The people knocking Greenstein can't have been following him very closely. No one has a better track record of honourable behaviour. Note that he is not refusing to pay - just negotiating how to pay so that the money goes to the right place.

    That amount is not a big deal to him - he has played single pots of around that size many times. He is just making sure that his money does not fill the pockets of opportunist businessmen instead of going to the players.

    I for one am happy to trust him on this - I don't have the same confidence about the others on the list, but I'm sure that soem of them are trying to do the right thing, others are just hoping to benefit from the confusion.
     
 
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